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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Wed, Apr-19-2017, 07:42:26 PM   #41
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Me too, but I thought you were after all the weight savings there are? I guess those are compromises you aren't willing to take, I get it.
I wouldn't mind CSL front and rear seats though.
Yeah, I'm not willing to compromise airbags.

And the door cars-- .18kg different per door card, so if you do both you don't even hit half a pound. For thousands of dollars, less comfort, and (subjective but IMO) a worse look.

But, really, there's lots of compromises I'm not willing to make. My muffler remains heavy (because I want a quiet one), I refuse to gut my interior, I still have a stereo, I still have air conditioning. If anything, my actual target is <3100 lbs without any compromises
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I'd rather have the non CSL Imola interior

I use the arm rests, both sides, regularly. I like having side impact airbags. And, I don't like decorative CF.

... and it's nowhere near as expensive as a full CSL interior.
As an aside, European Recaro Sportster CS's come with side impact airbags. If you know an European supplier, maybe you can import a pair with airbags. I've heard of a number of people doing that.

I got an aftermarket steering wheel that requires an aftermarket airbag in a different car of mine. Can't get the airbag for the wheel directly in the U.S. but I got some Swedish or something company to send me both.
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As an aside, European Recaro Sportster CS's come with side impact airbags.
Yeah, you can get that in the USA, too. I'm pretty sure they did that because most modern cars have their side impact airbag in the seats, instead of the doors like we do. So, losing side impact air bags was a significant deterrent for changing seats-- not good for Recaro for street focused seat like the Sporster CS!
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Yeah, you can get that in the USA, too. I'm pretty sure they did that because most modern cars have their side impact airbag in the seats, instead of the doors like we do. So, losing side impact air bags was a significant deterrent for changing seats-- not good for Recaro for street focused seat like the Sporster CS!
Oh you were talking bout the door cards, not the seats themselves. Thought you meant a bucket would delete the airbag, and was offering an airbag'd alternative. My mistake. (Do we even have seat airbags inside of the E46 seats?)
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Although, someone posted Cinnamon Nappa leather reupholstered Recaros not to long ago. I'm not sure if they ever sold or not, but my god those were the tits!
Yea those are mine. Can't believe they haven't sold yet. When I first had them made 2 years ago my inbox was filling up with requests to buy them. Now I just get lowballs.

Now I'm willing to trade for stock cinnamon seats so I can just sell the full interior after that.

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Oh you were talking bout the door cards, not the seats themselves. Thought you meant a bucket would delete the airbag, and was offering an airbag'd alternative. My mistake. (Do we even have seat airbags inside of the E46 seats?)
No, our side impact airbags are in the door cards.
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As another data point.. I have manual seats (no lumbar) and do find them uncomfortable on long drives (1.5+ hrs). Not horribly so, but my lower back starts to feel it (I'm tall, 6'5"). I suspect the optional seats are better.

Planning on Recaro SPG XL as it'll fit my body better and allow me to perfect my driving position (sit lower down)
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No, our side impact airbags are in the door cards.
Totally unrelated but I wasn't sure where else to ask. What's the meaning behind the quote in your sig? Just that people are generally blind to good design? Or that good design just sorta blends in because it works so well? The e30 and e39 are specifically regarded as some of the best automotive designs ever, so that dude certainly got a lot of recognition
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I don't have lumbar support and also get lower back pain on long drives.

I don't have back problems at all. I'm 28, 155lbs and more active than the average.
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I don't have lumbar support and also get lower back pain on long drives.

I don't have back problems at all. I'm 28, 155lbs and more active than the average.
Ah, now it is starting to make more sense. There was a very long thread on here at some point and it seemed that the consensus was, those that had power adjustable lumbar/bolstered seats found the stock seats to be very comfortable for long drives and those that did not have the power-bolstered seats found them to be uncomfortable for any length of time. Of course I am generalizing, but that seemed to be the over arching trend. Did the manual I posted help at all or have you tried all the adjustments that your car has according to the manual, without improvement?
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