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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
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Old Wed, Apr-19-2017, 04:17:06 PM   #11
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I think many of the Redline MTL users (myself included) use the product because they are running a single mass clutch and MTL cuts down on the rattle. If I had a stock dual mass clutch I'd likely use the prescribed ATL fluid.
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Really? This is like another engine-oil thread. See 'Official Best Fluids Thread' below.

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I have used Redline MT90, MTL, D4ATF and LTW Shockproof in ZF320 and have no preference. Also used Royal Purple Synchromesh and did not think it was anything special. I drive in winter as well. Have had the LTW Shockproof in it for over a year.

For a LTW flywheel, I recommend raising the idle speed in the tune to 850-900. Reduces rattle and makes the clutch easier to use. I can see how thicker oil would also reduce rattle. I think I was running MT90 when I had a LTW flywheel years ago, in addition to the 850 rpm idle, and thought it drove nicely.
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Nope. Trans fluid alone is not what cuts down on the gear chatter. UUC's "fix" is to mix the trans fluid with diff fluid. You're creating a thicker oil to make up for the loose tolerances in the transmission. It doesn't even work either.

ATF is for ATF labeled manual transmissions.
MTF is for MTF labeled manual transmissions. Many also use MTF regardless of the label. Not all of the manual transmissions call for ATF which is why you will see comments from people to check the label first.
I ran MT90 fluid in my 91 318iS when I ditched the dual mass flywheel in favor of a 9 pound single-mass flywheel and I had literally no gear rattle when in neutral. I'm sure the sprung hub clutch disk helped absorb the vibrations and such as well.
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Redline D4 ATF here. Also have used redline MTL.

The D4 ATF is nice because I can use one fluid for tranny and power steering pump. Less waste...
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Sounds like a terrible idea to reduce weight and add lubrication drag to a 4cyl.

I don't think anyone has ever advised the use of straight gear oil in the transmission. Typically it is a mix and that does NOT work in the ZF 310z and 320z boxes.
I think MT90 is 75W90. MTL is 75W80. I found the MT90 worked fine in my ZF320, but I agree it is not among the most commonly used. Bimmerworld recommends it for track use.
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I think MT90 is 75W90. MTL is 75W80. I found the MT90 worked fine in my ZF320, but I agree it is not among the most commonly used. Bimmerworld recommends it for track use.
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I appreciate the suggestions from everyone. When I originally posted this. I was thinking I was about to do the fluid, along with the shift shaft seal

After taking a good look at the work involved. I decided not to do the seal/fluid.

The shifter rod, and the wire rings looks impossible to remove with the transmission in the car. And the seal itself, is a lot smaller than I thought

I'm not gonna just change out the fluid, to have it leak right back out of a leaky old seal.
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