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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
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Old Sun, Jan-04-2009, 04:29:22 PM   #41
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Anyways why would you need to re time the cam shafts if your swapping the vanos?

anyways just got to pelican parts if you need to time the cam shafts because that's what i used to time mine.
First, I'm replacing the secondary chain and secondary tensioner and both the exhaust and intake cam gears. The Dr.Vanos StageII kit involves replacing both cam gears.

Second, PelicanParts uses the timing pin tool to 1.2Nm in place of the primary tensioner, when setting the timing. Raj at BeisanSystems and Chris at Dr.Vanos do not use the timing pin tool in place of the primary tensioner.
Did you use the timing pin tool?
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great start Ansel....
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great start Ansel....
lol yea...now like 6 months later i might actually get around to finishing this
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First, I'm replacing the secondary chain and secondary tensioner and both the exhaust and intake cam gears. The Dr.Vanos StageII kit involves replacing both cam gears.

Second, PelicanParts uses the timing pin tool to 1.2Nm in place of the primary tensioner, when setting the timing. Raj at BeisanSystems and Chris at Dr.Vanos do not use the timing pin tool in place of the primary tensioner.
Did you use the timing pin tool?
I have done it with and without the timing pin tool, the results were the same for me. I would say that if the dr. vanos kit you are getting say not to use it, go with that. Timing the gears isn't hard at all, pelican parts has a few pics but i used the ones in my Bentley book to get it exactly right. The first time i did this i used several different diy guides and found what worked right.
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im debating doing the Dr Vanos Stg II and all the tensioners, seals, etc, etc in there this summer ...
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M3Cosmos95,

Great write-up man. I just purchased my '95 and replacing the vanos is something that has the honor of being first on the "to-do" list. This is a great confidence builder for me.

Just need to start collecting the manuals, BMW specific tools and parts. Then I'll be taking the plunge.
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M3Cosmos95,

Great write-up man. I just purchased my '95 and replacing the vanos is something that has the honor of being first on the "to-do" list. This is a great confidence builder for me.

Just need to start collecting the manuals, BMW specific tools and parts. Then I'll be taking the plunge.
Thanks man! sucks that you have to replace the vanos on your new car though

definitely invest in the Bentley Manual for our cars...most useful thing i have for the car.

Hopefully by then I'll have have finished the re installation part.
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I have done it with and without the timing pin tool, the results were the same for me. I would say that if the dr. vanos kit you are getting say not to use it, go with that. Timing the gears isn't hard at all, pelican parts has a few pics but i used the ones in my Bentley book to get it exactly right. The first time i did this i used several different diy guides and found what worked right.
Great! I'll ignore the timing pin tool. It will save time and money. Thanks for the response.

On a side note, I asked Chris at DrVanos if I should replace the primary chain tensioner at 170,000 miles. He said no. Spend that extra money on the StageII instead. Those hydraulic primary chain tensioners RARELY wear out.
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Great! I'll ignore the timing pin tool. It will save time and money. Thanks for the response.

On a side note, I asked Chris at DrVanos if I should replace the primary chain tensioner at 170,000 miles. He said no. Spend that extra money on the StageII instead. Those hydraulic primary chain tensioners RARELY wear out.
i replaced mine the first time i did this...but it was purely precautionary. The new one i bought had a retaining clip so that it did the same job as the special pin. If your not hearing any noise then there is really no point. plus its not like the primary tensioner is hard to change. Just make sure you swap out the secondary tensioner, i made that mistake and had to redo it 6 months later
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M3Cosmos95,

I'm not too worried about the vanos replacement. I knew what I was getting into when I bought the car. It is just an exercise in self-control right now to not mash on the skinny pedal for fear of having a vanos implosion.

BTW - Some of those specialty tools are pricey! That cam lock from Pelican Parts is almost $150 but I suppose it is well worth it when you consider the alternative of having a DOHC BMW engine being completely backwards.
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