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Old Tue, Jan-09-2018, 03:28:14 PM   #11
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Default Re: Preferred 200 UTQG tire, and size...?

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Not good feedback on the RE-71R huh...
The RE-71R is the tire of choice if you are chasing every tenth of a second, they're designed to come up to temp quick and provide maximum grip for the best lap time. Outside of that, they are not a good choice for general HPDE sessions and the like. When the clock is of less concern there's no point to chose a tire you have to care for like the RE-71R when something like the NT01 will handle all the abuse you can throw at it and come back for more.

I run the RE-71 on my car for time attack but far prefer the Maxxis VR-1 or Hankook RS4 for just turning laps, they're more consistent and last far more laps per dollar.

Regarding size, go with whichever is cheapest, for street tires your wheel width will pretty much dictate the size of the contact patch anyways so no point spending more money for bigger rubber that you aren't utilizing. We've done back to back testing of the same exact tire on 9.5-10-11" wide wheels and went faster every time the wheels got wider.

you can see here what happens to the same size tire when the wheels are wider (not my photo, this one was sourced from the internet):
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Right on guys, lots of helpful info in here. For the record, I have ran the NT01 on my last TA car (FF Honda) and I always liked those tires. I went through a number of different tires on that car, but admittedly that was a few years. Cool to know that the NT01 is still holding it's ground years later. I will go that route if I decide an R Compound is the right choice. I might try a street tire first though still. I don't imagine I will likely ever find myself considering true slicks for this car, but I appreciate the input nonetheless.

I have looked at the Federal 595-RS RR as well. Anyone have input on those? Bang for buck?? Anyone have additional comments about the Hankook RS-4? I have never driven on those.

Got some thinking to do still. I haven't ordered the wheels yet so maybe I will go with the 17x9 ET42 option. I have other wheels for road use so I guess there's no downside to going nuts with the track setup.
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Right on guys, lots of helpful info in here. For the record, I have ran the NT01 on my last TA car (FF Honda) and I always liked those tires. I went through a number of different tires on that car, but admittedly that was a few years. Cool to know that the NT01 is still holding it's ground years later. I will go that route if I decide an R Compound is the right choice. I might try a street tire first though still. I don't imagine I will likely ever find myself considering true slicks for this car, but I appreciate the input nonetheless.

I have looked at the Federal 595-RS RR as well. Anyone have input on those? Bang for buck?? Anyone have additional comments about the Hankook RS-4? I have never driven on those.

Got some thinking to do still. I haven't ordered the wheels yet so maybe I will go with the 17x9 ET42 option. I have other wheels for road use so I guess there's no downside to going nuts with the track setup.
Other than them being loud i think they are pretty good tires for th use you are going for. They make a 140tw tire so maybe that’s a good in between for you
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The RE-71R is the tire of choice if you are chasing every tenth of a second, they're designed to come up to temp quick and provide maximum grip for the best lap time. Outside of that, they are not a good choice for general HPDE sessions and the like. When the clock is of less concern there's no point to chose a tire you have to care for like the RE-71R when something like the NT01 will handle all the abuse you can throw at it and come back for more.

I run the RE-71 on my car for time attack but far prefer the Maxxis VR-1 or Hankook RS4 for just turning laps, they're more consistent and last far more laps per dollar.

Regarding size, go with whichever is cheapest, for street tires your wheel width will pretty much dictate the size of the contact patch anyways so no point spending more money for bigger rubber that you aren't utilizing. We've done back to back testing of the same exact tire on 9.5-10-11" wide wheels and went faster every time the wheels got wider.

you can see here what happens to the same size tire when the wheels are wider (not my photo, this one was sourced from the internet):
What are the wheel sizes in the pic?
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Nate - good article here written by pro racer Billy Johnson.

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...RFORMANCE.aspx

I like the statement on top of page 3:

"For ideal handling: when sizing a tire for a given wheel, I usually target a tire’s TREAD width to be as wide as the WHEEL width, or 0.5” narrower than the wheel width."

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What are the wheel sizes in the pic?
9.5" vs 10"
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Why has no one mentioned the RS4 yet? That's what I would be buying if you dont want to go full r-comp/NT01.
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I run the RE-71 on my car for time attack but far prefer the Maxxis VR-1 or Hankook RS4 for just turning laps, they're more consistent and last far more laps per dollar.
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Why has no one mentioned the RS4 yet? That's what I would be buying if you dont want to go full r-comp/NT01.
they're a good choice.
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Why has no one mentioned the RS4 yet? That's what I would be buying if you dont want to go full r-comp/NT01.
Im on 265-18 square setup and really like the RS4, they are very consistent from start to finish. Managed to get 35+ heat cycles out of a set.

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