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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Thu, Dec-19-2019, 09:03:33 PM   #11
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Default Re: Quick SMG review from an inexperienced driver

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Did you add the CSL software before you swapped it or have you just driven another with the software? Not going to lie the SMG was pretty fun but I think i'd still go the route you took and swap it later on down the line. Mind sharing how the process of swapping went for you?
I swapped my previous m3. Now Iím my second one and same itís SMG, Installed TTFS SMG tune in both cars. (Can get it cheaper but opted for TTFS since I got a package deal during a special for engine tune) I paid someone to do the swap but itís straight forward. Some shops here in NorCal charge about $3300, no clutch (with clutch probably an extra $300-500 maybe)
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its not as smooth as a modern dual clutch and its shit for daily driving. However, when you you want to drive it hard, it gives you a nice kick in the ass. this is something all modern dual clutches get wrong with the exception of PDK in sport +

if you're in the market, I say go for the SMG and enjoy it until it breaks down. do the CSL software on it- it will give you slightly crisper shifts. But more importantly, it will auto blip on downshifts. it does this so well I was genuinely impressed given the age of the technology.

Of course when you start getting SMG related issues, just go ahead and convert to manual. you won't look back.
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SMG is great. People here a so pro converting to manual as if it is a different or a superior gearbox in some way. I'd say half of them don't even know how to rev match or drive a manual properly to begin with.
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SMG is great. People here a so pro converting to manual as if it is a different or a superior gearbox in some way. I'd say half of them don't even know how to rev match or drive a manual properly to begin with.
You're delusional if you truly think that's the case lol. A real manual is superior in every way except WOT 8000RPM upshifts.
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SMG is great. People here a so pro converting to manual as if it is a different or a superior gearbox in some way. I'd say half of them don't even know how to rev match or drive a manual properly to begin with.
I didnít know we had to rev match to drive to grandmas house for the holidays. Should we wear race gloves too?
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SMG is great. People here a so pro converting to manual as if it is a different or a superior gearbox in some way. I'd say half of them don't even know how to rev match or drive a manual properly to begin with.
what a dense way to re-frame a different opinion. perhaps it makes more sense to just go manual instead of throwing money at it every couple years/months that the cog light resurfaces.
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You're delusional if you truly think that's the case lol. A real manual is superior in every way except WOT 8000RPM upshifts.
Strictly 8k? Not 7.5k, 7k, 6.5k, 6k, or 5.5k? Humans shift better at all other WOT high rpms? Serious question...
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Strictly 8k? Not 7.5k, 7k, 6.5k, 6k, or 5.5k? Humans shift better at all other WOT high rpms? Serious question...
That's the point where SMG is fastest. It slows down significantly at not WOT, and I don't see the point of short shifting if you're going for peak performance.
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You're delusional if you truly think that's the case lol. A real manual is superior in every way except WOT 8000RPM upshifts.
Highway downshifts as well. Where you just hold your foot at the same throttle level and it rev matches and engages it perfectly right there.

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That's the point where SMG is fastest. It slows down significantly at not WOT, and I don't see the point of short shifting if you're going for peak performance.
In the dme are we able to see how it operates at very slight throttle lift? Like going from 70% throttle to 60% throttle and back to 70? Are you able to see how it operates in a variety of low/lessened throttle states?
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