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Old Sun, Oct-21-2018, 09:24:19 PM   #2591
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Inspired by Doogan's thread, my projects for this winter:
-Convert my alternator light to be canbus based
-Inspection 2 (all fluids, valve adjustment, spark plugs)
-replace the aux coolant pump with the one used in the CSL
-brake ducting, remove stock washer tank
-create adjustable rear end links for the OE rear sway bar, install
-corner balance the car. Use those results to choose new rates for the car, probably different at every corner. Re-corner balance
-BMW Motorsport subframe mounts (to recover suspension geometry)
-CSL front kingpins
-add soft velcro to the seat belt receivers to protect the center console from scratches, ala OE porsche seat belt receivers
Forgot one! ZHP rack and stainless lines. I'm also probably going to go back to the stock oil cooler.
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Old Sun, Oct-21-2018, 11:06:54 PM   #2592
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Default Re: Obioban's 2005 Imola Red M3 coupe (56K mass murder)

You're planning on putting a ZHP rack in Ian? I've got one in my garage, but I'm still debating. Seems like the best choice-

Basically the same, once installed, as a CSL rack
No mods needed; will accept our tie rods and steering giubo
Not linear, not too twitchy (too fast), just a little more ratio with a similar feel to stock. No extra "weight" or other type of "feel" as far as I can glean from others.

Could you correct the above or add to it? Thanks
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·Besian · RE pullies/fan delete · WPC rod bearings · GroundControl S/A (Koni/Eibach 440/550) + tall RSMs · TMS Camber & Subframe plates · SPC Adj alloy rear camber arms
·RE Trans Mounts · AKG poly SUB/DIFF 95a · SDW RTAB · Weighted ///M knob + UUC DSSR + delrin carrier bush · OE CSL trunk · APEX 75mm Studs
·Sportline 8S 18"x8.5/9.5" · MPSS 245/275 · Brembo 996 36/40 345mm CSL Textar FF & 28/30 328mm CSL ATE "D738" FF · CM brackets & ss/teflon lines
·Pioneer DEH-80PRS · Eclipse PA5422 · CDT HD-6 + WS-100i · CDT EX-530 · 8" Kicker

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Old Sun, Oct-21-2018, 11:15:33 PM   #2593
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I put the ZHP rack in my E36 - it's perfect. Not too fast you have to change driving style, but not as awfully unresponsive as stock. Strikes the happy medium.

IMO older cars with modern/fast steering (IE Z4M rack) are kind of strange.
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Old Sun, Oct-21-2018, 11:42:03 PM   #2594
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You're planning on putting a ZHP rack in Ian? I've got one in my garage, but I'm still debating. Seems like the best choice-

Basically the same, once installed, as a CSL rack
No mods needed; will accept our tie rods and steering giubo
Not linear, not too twitchy (too fast), just a little more ratio with a similar feel to stock. No extra "weight" or other type of "feel" as far as I can glean from others.

Could you correct the above or add to it? Thanks
Apparently same (not just close, but identical) ratio as the CSL/ZCP rack based on measurements taken by Volke. Does not necessarily mean the "feel" is the same as the CSL/ZCP rack - I haven't driven one extensively enough to know for sure. The reason one is billed as 14.5:1 and the other as 13.7:1 is due to the differences in geometry between M and non-M.

Yes it's a bolt on upgrade as long as you use the M3 tie rods and power steering lines

The rack moves 50mm per revolution throughout the range. I don't know if that would be considered linear or not, since technically the rate of angle change at the wheels will change as the linear displacement changes (at least if I remember my trig and calc correctly).

Twitchiness will depend on the driver's preferences. I find it to be the perfect balance. Ian in the past was pretty adamant that he does not, but with the M3 coupe no longer being his DD, his goals probably changed.

The rack is heavier than stock, and it feels notably heavier in an M3 than it does in an actual 330/ZHP. Not annoyingly so, but it is noticeable.
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Old Mon, Oct-22-2018, 12:09:57 AM   #2595
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Zhp rack is an awesome upgrade, especially if you track/autox. It does feel a bit heavier than stock, but I think it's definitely an improvement rather than a detraction.

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Old Mon, Oct-22-2018, 01:11:58 AM   #2596
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Thanks guys, I'll put it in then!
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·Besian · RE pullies/fan delete · WPC rod bearings · GroundControl S/A (Koni/Eibach 440/550) + tall RSMs · TMS Camber & Subframe plates · SPC Adj alloy rear camber arms
·RE Trans Mounts · AKG poly SUB/DIFF 95a · SDW RTAB · Weighted ///M knob + UUC DSSR + delrin carrier bush · OE CSL trunk · APEX 75mm Studs
·Sportline 8S 18"x8.5/9.5" · MPSS 245/275 · Brembo 996 36/40 345mm CSL Textar FF & 28/30 328mm CSL ATE "D738" FF · CM brackets & ss/teflon lines
·Pioneer DEH-80PRS · Eclipse PA5422 · CDT HD-6 + WS-100i · CDT EX-530 · 8" Kicker

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Old Mon, Oct-22-2018, 12:20:20 PM   #2597
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Apparently same (not just close, but identical) ratio as the CSL/ZCP rack based on measurements taken by Volke. Does not necessarily mean the "feel" is the same as the CSL/ZCP rack - I haven't driven one extensively enough to know for sure. The reason one is billed as 14.5:1 and the other as 13.7:1 is due to the differences in geometry between M and non-M.

Yes it's a bolt on upgrade as long as you use the M3 tie rods and power steering lines

The rack moves 50mm per revolution throughout the range. I don't know if that would be considered linear or not, since technically the rate of angle change at the wheels will change as the linear displacement changes (at least if I remember my trig and calc correctly).

Twitchiness will depend on the driver's preferences. I find it to be the perfect balance. Ian in the past was pretty adamant that he does not, but with the M3 coupe no longer being his DD, his goals probably changed.

The rack is heavier than stock, and it feels notably heavier in an M3 than it does in an actual 330/ZHP. Not annoyingly so, but it is noticeable.
My reasons for switching racks on the M3 are...
-this is supposedly the most feelsome plug and play rack
-it's one of few the racks that is plug and play with our DSC
-it's not obnoxiously fast, even though I'd prefer it be slower
-the M3 doesn't see much highway use anymore, other than driving to/from the track
-it further differentiates the wagon from the coupe
-my stock rack has never been rebuilt and is likely due
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See if you can find a guy with a late 330 with a 712 rack in it who doesn't really know any better.

That's how I got the "ZHP" rack on my track car for not much money.
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See if you can find a guy with a late 330 with a 712 rack in it who doesn't really know any better.

That's how I got the "ZHP" rack on my track car for not much money.
I pulled mine at a junk yard for $20, sent it to rack doctor as a core for a freshly rebuilt rack
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I pulled mine at a junk yard for $20, sent it to rack doctor as a core for a freshly rebuilt rack
Yup, thats the 300 dollar way to do it.

I think I got mine for 70 from a dude with a formerly-nice-condition 90k mile 330 he wrecked. It is the only part of my M3's power steering system that hasn't ever leaked
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