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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Tue, Oct-16-2018, 03:32:03 PM   #381
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And all e46 M3 owners are stance bros that slam their cars and wear flat-brimmed hats.

You know that's the reputation our cars have outside of enthusiast forums, right? Stereotypes exist for a reason, sure.. but let's not assume they're all the same
My post was to highlight just that, not sure where youíre getting at. Canít judge an owner just bcs they drive a Ferrari and not a Porsche, and vice versa.
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Old Tue, Oct-16-2018, 03:33:13 PM   #382
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My post was to highlight just that, not sure where youíre getting at. Canít judge an owner just bcs they drive a Ferrari and not a Porsche, and vice versa.
Ah, my bad - read it the other way around
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Old Tue, Oct-16-2018, 03:39:03 PM   #383
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And all e46 M3 owners are stance bros that slam their cars and wear flat-brimmed hats.

You know that's the reputation our cars have outside of enthusiast forums, right? Stereotypes exist for a reason, sure.. but let's not assume they're all the same
I actually feel like the e46 M3 reputation has been turning around in the last 1-3 years?

I can't remember the last time I took mine out and someone didn't make a point of coming over and talking to me about it, giving a thumbs up, taking pictures, asking how much I'd sell it for, etc. People of all demographics, too.

10-15 years ago it was middle fingers everywhere I went. I don't think my driving style has changed
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Old Tue, Oct-16-2018, 03:39:08 PM   #384
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my E46 M3 actually came with a flat brimmed hat in the trunk. true story.

it's a nice BMW Motorsport hat in the M colors so i've started wearing it.
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I actually feel like the e46 M3 reputation has been turning around in the last 1-3 years?

I can't remember the last time I took mine out and someone didn't make a point of coming over and talking to me about it, giving a thumbs up, taking pictures, asking how much I'd sell it for, etc. People of all demographics, too.

10-15 years ago it was middle fingers everywhere I went. I don't think my driving style has changed
I've noticed the same thing, but I always assumed it was more due to my age (was 16 when I had my ZHP, 19 when I first got my M3).
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I actually feel like the e46 M3 reputation has been turning around in the last 1-3 years?

I can't remember the last time I took mine out and someone didn't make a point of coming over and talking to me about it, giving a thumbs up, taking pictures, asking how much I'd sell it for, etc. People of all demographics, too.

10-15 years ago it was middle fingers everywhere I went. I don't think my driving style has changed
It definitely has in real life - my personal speculation is that they've transitioned from "rich d-bag car" to "brave automotive enthusiast keeping that old German performance car running" ..but who knows. I've personally seen thumbs up (especially from other M3 drivers), and kids shouting for me to "go fast", where most of the hate is in the Jalopnik comment section.. but what don't they hate?
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Old Tue, Oct-16-2018, 03:57:33 PM   #387
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If I wasn't too tall to fit in it, the NSX would be the perfect car for me.
Get a targa version and remove the top, problem solved
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I imagine the end result would be something like this:

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Old Tue, Oct-16-2018, 04:02:11 PM   #389
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The f8x M3/4 is vastly superior to a E46/M. Also to note, the E46 while exciting to drive, is far from the most "feeling" car that BMW made or is out there in general.

Why this guy is listening to small camp of enthusiasts who cant drive quicker than the E46 permits is beyond me. The chassis feel and high baseline speed that the F80 has is incredible to drive and push to the limits of your inner "true driver" whether its DCT (better in every way) or manual.

That said, I enjoy the E46 as an auto and BMW enthusiast, as the only factor holding me back from a F80 is the deprecation they still have. In 2-3 years they'll be fantastic buys, just like the E92's are currently.
Since i've never owned a new car and i greatly enjoy wrenching on my own cars, my biggest worries nowadays, especially with the F8x cars, is the technology in it. The E46 M3 is barely on the edge for me regarding this, with annoying programming things, drive by wire throttle, etc..
Friend of my owns a M4, pre face-lift, manual. Pretty car, stupid fast, yet i would never own it without a warranty. The Lithium battery went flat in about 1-2 weeks because the car is, effectively, constantly online. A new one from BMW seems to run about 1300 Euros. The ceramic discs had a chip. Luckily, not bad enough to warrant replacement, yet seems to simply be a question of time, with that cost scaring the poop out of me, honestly.
Retrofitting the LCI taillights requires coding, as it does for the E46 M3s LED lights, which is another thing that i despise.

Aside from these things that came up, stuff that undoubtedly will be an issue down the road, are things like the Direct Injection as well as the intercoolers/piping. Stuff like the crank-pulley already is being addressed and is, arguably, less of a pain, and cheaper, than the E46s Subframe, VANOS and Rod Bearing issues.

Whereas the serviceability of the E46 M3 is actually REALLY good, aside from the crap that was added for the US market, looking at the S55 gives me absolute nightmares. It reminds me of changing spark-plugs on the N55, which takes close to an hour. Nightmares of coked intake valves, engine sucking in water due to a broken intercooler/piping, of crevices inaccessible to normal human hands, requiring me to use child-labor or tear the entire front of a car apart, similar to Audis, get conjured up.

For me, these cars, as stupendously fast and comfortable and whatever else they may be, are just not realistic in the long-term. If we think that the maintenance on the E46s are bad, i'd say wait 10 more years for current cars to reach their peak of reliability atrocity

Never thought i'd turn into one of those "Old guy yells at cloud" people, but damn!
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my E46 M3 actually came with a flat brimmed hat in the trunk. true story.

it's a nice BMW Motorsport hat in the M colors so i've started wearing it.
Friend of mine who bought a W204 C63 AMG had a bottle of Muscle Milk and tub of hair gel shoot out from under the driver's seat the first time he used the brakes hard.

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I've noticed the same thing, but I always assumed it was more due to my age (was 16 when I had my ZHP, 19 when I first got my M3).
Likewise. I don't get nearly the amount of angry flailing people anymore. I miss intentionally misinterpreting them and waving back like I knew them in a friendly fashion.

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Get a targa version and remove the top, problem solved
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