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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999


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Old Fri, Nov-09-2018, 05:49:21 PM   #11
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I think over 60,000 E9xM3 were sold. 90% are probably on their original bearings. Of the 10% that have been replaced, 90% of the bearings that come out look prematurely worn, done on the verge of failure. Id guess the number of engine failures is in the 1% range but no one knows for sure. There is a court case against BMW that may reveal its numbers eventually.
Yes. About 57k globally. I was just referring to US/Canada numbers. Actually, the correct number is 25,600 for US/Canada.
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I personally think that's overrated. Have there been some issues? Yes, but you only read about the ones on the forums. I bet it's less than 0.5% of e90x. There were about 25,600 produced in the US and Canada so it's still an extremely low number of issues. I had an '13 e92 and sold it at 40k miles. I had 2 Blackstone oil reports done and mine had normal wear. I would not be scared to own one of the best engines and M3's ever made, IMO.
2013s don't show bearing wear on oil analysis. They were after the bearing material changeover.
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Sometime in 2010 bearing material changed to avoid lead. I suppose if you had every oil change from new you could identify increases in whatever new new bearings are made of — some kind of aluminum or maybe a tri metal. But even older E9xM3 with lead and copper bearings have failed despite good oil analysis results. I would not be confident unless I had the results every change from new. Cars with the newer bearings seem to fail at about the same rate.
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Thank you gents, I am looking for a 99 e36, rather than a newer car. I think a e36 will hold its value better and be an easier sell one day, if I can part with it. I think it would make a good car to teach my girls at the track; the latter cars have way too much grunt. Better to learn car control and maintaining momentum than gassing it between turns.

Any PPI suggestions are welcome here in LA; West Hills is a bit far for me although if I can get sellers there and the guy is good, I'll do it.
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Sometime in 2010 bearing material changed to avoid lead. I suppose if you had every oil change from new you could identify increases in whatever new new bearings are made of some kind of aluminum or maybe a tri metal. But even older E9xM3 with lead and copper bearings have failed despite good oil analysis results. I would not be confident unless I had the results every change from new. Cars with the newer bearings seem to fail at about the same rate.
I didn't mean to imply that they were more reliable-- just that, AFAIK, there's no way to monitor the new cars via oil analysis.

I think the oil analysis is only completely useful once you've gone to BE bearings, anyway-- before that it just protects you from bearing wear (normal for all high revving engines), not the s65's bearing lottery.
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Thank you gents, I am looking for a 99 e36, rather than a newer car. I think a e36 will hold its value better and be an easier sell one day, if I can part with it. I think it would make a good car to teach my girls at the track; the latter cars have way too much grunt. Better to learn car control and maintaining momentum than gassing it between turns.

Any PPI suggestions are welcome here in LA; West Hills is a bit far for me although if I can get sellers there and the guy is good, I'll do it.
What color are you looking for? Sedan our Coupe? If you are open to buying out of state, I may have something I can part with. I have 3.
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I had a PPI done with Marc Norris at Bavarian Workshop in West Hills and would highly recommend him. He's very nice and one of the more well known M specialists in the north LA.
+100 for Bavarian Workshop, I met Marc a couple years ago when I was doing tech articles with European Car Magazine on my E36 build, and we are friends to this day. Marc is awesome, honest, and like an encyclopedia on all things BMW. Well worth the drive (I'm in Venice)
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+100 for Bavarian Workshop, I met Marc a couple years ago when I was doing tech articles with European Car Magazine on my E36 build, and we are friends to this day. Marc is awesome, honest, and like an encyclopedia on all things BMW. Well worth the drive (I'm in Venice)
Yea he was awesome. I decided on his shop after reading about his custom E46 M3 wagon. Honestly it was worth the trip just to see the stuff around his shop: E9 coupe, E28 and E34 M5s, Z8, and that was on a slow day
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Damn, have E9X's really come down that much? Makes them look at lot more appealing to me now...
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