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Old Tue, Apr-12-2011, 05:06:18 AM   #31
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I would think that if you disable the ASC system with the resistor, it wouldn't touch the timing at all. It would be pretty noticeable if the timing suddenly retarded when my rear wheels began to spin. Also, the light comes on when the system is off or nonfunctional, when you use a resistor, the light comes on. So therefore, I don't view it as much of a risk.

I'm still not convinced the ASC computer actually controls the timing, I think it just tells the DME to retard or advance the timing and the DME does so within safe parameters.
Well, you're not disabling the system, as far as the computer is concerned. You're making it think the actuator is there, and it is going to carry on its operations and actuate whatever it sees fit as normal unless it thinks there is a fault. The entire purpose of the resistor is to make it think there is no fault, no?
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Old Tue, Apr-12-2011, 05:07:01 AM   #32
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Hencini - did you see my post on page 2 (at least for me cause I use default settings!)

I'm sure I did, because I've read this whole thread...

Which post number? Or quote yourself or something...
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Old Tue, Apr-12-2011, 05:07:59 AM   #33
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Huh. I'll be damned. So what does that have to do with the ASC discussion?
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Roland we should keep this on the DL, because so far you've been right about everything else

http://www.steerbythrottle.com/hccyo.../E36_ASC+T.pdf

"ignition control" - this document explains very well what the ASC was designed to do.

I don't recall where I read all this originally, but I researched the ASC+T pretty thoroughly before messing with it.
Haha, I gladly admit that I was wrong, but I'm also not entirely convinced it's exactly the way it is either. Also, it's not really an issue whether it has that ability or not, since you can either leave the actuator in and keep the rear stability control, or delete the actuator with a resistor and "turn off" the whole system.
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Old Tue, Apr-12-2011, 05:09:08 AM   #34
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I took the tb out.(its sitting in my garage and can easily be put back in)
got a z3 boot.

I then left the abs module cylinder thing installed in the car. its so damn light i have no clue why you would do any kind of resister instead of doing what i did. leave it installed and the plug plugged into it. done , over.
the asc light is illuminated all the time but you dont even notice it..at all. im paying attention to the road. abs is fully functioning.
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ps: I did buy a resistor and was going to go that route , that was until i was actually taking it out and realized how silly it was to not leave that unit installed.
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Huh. I'll be damned. So what does that have to do with the ASC discussion?
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Old Tue, Apr-12-2011, 05:09:42 AM   #36
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I would think that if you disable the ASC system with the resistor, it wouldn't touch the timing at all. It would be pretty noticeable if the timing suddenly retarded when my rear wheels began to spin. Also, the light comes on when the system is off or nonfunctional, when you use a resistor, the light comes on. So therefore, I don't view it as much of a risk.

I'm still not convinced the ASC computer actually controls the timing, I think it just tells the DME to retard or advance the timing and the DME does so within safe parameters.
NO PART of the ASC functions after the TB removal. It's off by default. So no timing will be retarded, and the rear brakes will never be applied (like you suggested in one post I believe)

The only caveat emptor is the actuator as already discussed - it will disable your ABS if you yank it without doing the resistor mod, but it's totally fine to leave it in just for that reason.
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Well, you're not disabling the system, as far as the computer is concerned. You're making it think the actuator is there, and it is going to carry on its operations and actuate whatever it sees fit as normal unless it thinks there is a fault. The entire purpose of the resistor is to make it think there is no fault, no?
The resistance in the actuator changes as it actuates, but if there is a resistor there instead of an actuator, the resistance doesn't change. It's not fooling the system into thinking that there is a functioning actuator there, it's fooling the system into thinking that the actuator is nonfunctional.
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I took the tb out.(its sitting in my garage and can easily be put back in)
got a z3 boot.

I then left the abs module cylinder thing installed in the car. its so damn light i have no clue why you would do any kind of resister instead of doing what i did. leave it installed and the plug plugged into it. done , over.
the asc light is illuminated all the time but you dont even notice it..at all. im paying attention to the road.
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Agree 100%

If you're after a minimalist engine bay maybe, and it makes getting to some of the heater valves and idle air valve easier. i left mine in though!
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NO PART of the ASC functions after the TB removal. It's off by default. So no timing will be retarded, and the rear brakes will never be applied (like you suggested in one post I believe)
Hmmm. I must be thinking that the TB is left in and the actuator disconnected from the TB but still connected to the computer then. Because I know that there is a way to get the rear brakes to function without the traction control.
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Huh. I'll be damned. So what does that have to do with the ASC discussion?
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Nothing. But the grocery getter posse sticks together. Now you know of the C93...someone will contact you to make you wise to our secret meeting place.
I was trying to press the point "if it works on my car, it should work on yours"
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