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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 08:46:36 PM   #11
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Default Re: What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

I will knowingly buy items with imperfections (eg. amazon warehouse). But if I am paying a new, blemish free price, I expect a perfect product. Even the smallest imperfection will bother me. I dont know about Apex, but if the company is advertising flawless item at a premium price, I will return/complain if it is not perfect. Just my standards...
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There is a lot of gray area when it comes to country of manufacture. I'm not too knowledgeable in this arena but I know that oftentimes something is made in one country with final assembly in another country. The end product is "made in" the final country of assembly even though it is technically manufactured elsewhere. But yes, Chinese are definitely capable of producing quality goods. It's just a matter of QC/oversight and whether or not there is a market for top shelf goods.

Sorry to go off tangent but those blemishes are ultra-minor and only visible from inches away. I would be more bothered by rock chips that accumulate every time you drive your car on the road.
For sure. I appreciate the feedback. I likely won't notice them once I have them for the autocross this season. But it was still worth me asking since I'm trying to set my barometer for this sort of thing. I haven't bought a new set of wheels since probably a decade ago.

Another reason I ask is, I purchased a set of Konig wheels around 2008-2009 which were cheaper and has less of a reputation than Apex, and I recall those being perfect right out of the box (in terms of blemishes). And FWIW, those wheels being on the cheaper side, served me well for tens of thousands of miles in New England conditions.
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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 08:55:46 PM   #13
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Agree with everyone else that has commented. This is par for the course when it comes to the cost you pay for the wheels. On the flip side, you are getting a light and strong wheel, at a bargain of a price compared to most. When my buddy ordered his Arc-8 wheels they had similar blemishes -- Even a few scratches in the finish used. Once installed you will never notice them again. Honestly, the biggest let down I have seen with their finish is in durability. It just seems like the coating they use to finish their wheels is really soft, it scratches and scuffs easy. When installing your wheel studs/bolts...make sure you use a soft-coated socket. It is VERY easy to scuff up the finish around bolt holes if not careful. I can only imagine that road-wear will be equally as unfriendly on the finish. There is a reason these wheels are priced at half the cost of "upper-tiered" wheels, where blemishes like these are not found.
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Agree with everyone else that has commented. This is par for the course when it comes to the cost you pay for the wheels. On the flip side, you are getting a light and strong wheel, at a bargain of a price compared to most. When my buddy ordered his Arc-8 wheels they had similar blemishes -- Even a few scratches in the finish used. Once installed you will never notice them again. Honestly, the biggest let down I have seen with their finish is in durability. It just seems like the coating they use to finish their wheels is really soft, it scratches and scuffs easy. When installing your wheel studs/bolts...make sure you use a soft-coated socket. It is VERY easy to scuff up the finish around bolt holes if not careful. I can only imagine that road-wear will be equally as unfriendly on the finish.
Noted. I'll be ceramic coating the wheels for easy clean up, but it sounds like it may also help protect the coating a bit as well. And thank you for the reminder to buy a soft-coated socket!!
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Noted. I'll be ceramic coating the wheels for easy clean up, but it sounds like it may also help protect the coating a bit as well. And thank you for the reminder to buy a soft-coated socket!!
No worries. Smart call on the ceramic coating. Makes cleaning brake dust and keeping them clean and shiny a breeze. I'd imagine it will also add some durability to the wheels. Good call. I actually have been meaning to order aluminum wheel ceramic coating for my own wheels. Which coating are you planning to use? I am new to this territory, but really need to pull the trigger on ordering a product.

Also, on the same note as using a soft-coated socket, make sure you don't cheap out on who is mounting the tires to the wheels. I had a friend bring his BNIB Arc-8s to get mounted, and the shop that did the mounting added a few of their own scratches to the wheels. Of course they had a disclaimer saying they were not responsible for any damages caused on their behalf -- So my buddy had to just "live with it". If you are really OCD about it, I'd even suggest covering the outward wheel faces with thick, protective painters tape. Just so if the installers do accidentally scratch anything, the tape will be there to protect them. Then, once installed on the car, you can easily remove the tape yourself. Might look goofy, but I am OCD like that.
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No worries. Smart call on the ceramic coating. Makes cleaning brake dust and keeping them clean and shiny a breeze. I'd imagine it will also add some durability to the wheels. Good call. I actually have been meaning to order aluminum wheel ceramic coating for my own wheels. Which coating are you planning to use? I am new to this territory, but really need to pull the trigger on ordering a product.

Also, on the same note as using a soft-coated socket, make sure you don't cheap out on who is mounting the tires to the wheels. I had a friend bring his BNIB Arc-8s to get mounted, and the shop that did the mounting added a few of their own scratches to the wheels. Of course they had a disclaimer saying they were not responsible for any damages caused on their behalf -- So my buddy had to just "live with it". If you are really OCD about it, I'd even suggest covering the outward wheel faces with thick, protective painters tape. Just so if the installers do accidentally scratch anything, the tape will be there to protect them. Then, once installed on the car, you can easily remove the tape yourself. Might look goofy, but I am OCD like that.
I'm a lurker of the autodetailing subreddit and here's my quick findings on ceramic coatings for wheels:

-Don't get caught-up on hardness ratings (6H vs 9H... etc)
-Stick with reputable brands (CaPro, Ceramic Pro, Gyeon, Gtechniq...)
-Technique is often more important than the product. Ensure it's cleaned well, and removed of any existing wax or residue before application
-When done properly, the ceramic coating should last at least 6 months to a year.
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I'm a lurker of the autodetailing subreddit and here's my quick findings on ceramic coatings for wheels:

-Don't get caught-up on hardness ratings (6H vs 9H... etc)
-Stick with reputable brands (CaPro, Ceramic Pro, Gyeon, Gtechniq...)
-Technique is often more important than the product. Ensure it's cleaned well, and removed of any existing wax or residue before application
-When done properly, the ceramic coating should last at least 6 months to a year.
Good to know. Sounds like we are both up to speed on the same factors, as everything you wrote I have also seen mentioned when I briefly looked into it. Is their any one product that goes most highly recommended for wheels, or are the reputable brand options more or less the same?
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Good to know. Sounds like we are both up to speed on the same factors, as everything you wrote I have also seen mentioned when I briefly looked into it. Is their any one product that goes most highly recommended for wheels, or are the reputable brand options more or less the same?
From what I can gather - if it’s a reputable brand, it’s all about the same.
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It's all relative, and depends what I'm buying. I would not accept those (or equivalent) blemishes on a Swiss watch. I would accept them on Apex wheels. They'll have worse marks after a week on the road, so IMO it's worth going through the exchange process for something as bulky as wheels to end up with the same thing in a week.
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Buy a cheap wheel, get cheap prep work and paint. Pretty simple. You get what you pay for.
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