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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 07:32:48 PM   #1
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Default What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

Just got a set of Apex wheels from Bimmerworld. I'm super stoked about these wheels and have been eyeing them for about a year.

However, I'm a bit of a perfectionist - I inspected each wheel out of the box. Here are some things I've caught on just the face of each wheel. 2 out of 4 of them seem to have a bit more nicks/imperfections than what I'm comfortable with.

General theme is that there are slight nicks, dimples, scuffing and/or a wavy finish in small parts.

Am I being overly critical?

Wheel 1: https://imgur.com/a/idu7l
Wheel 2: https://imgur.com/a/P26qH
Wheel 3: https://imgur.com/a/JbAyV
Wheel 4: https://imgur.com/a/aebcp
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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 07:40:45 PM   #2
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Default Re: What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

Way overly critical imo. Although they are good quality for the money, ultimately these are $2-300 (per) wheels. Don't expect BBS Germany/Japan finish for Taiwanese/Chinese manufacturing.
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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 07:56:37 PM   #3
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Default Re: What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

Yeah, I don't see anything surprising here. You bought China wheels, you got China quality.
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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 07:59:55 PM   #4
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Default Re: What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

Here ya go! $2,000/ rim so you can nitpick all you please
http://www.hrewheels.com/wheels/series-rs3m/rs300m
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Default Re: What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

Well, Apex sells blemished wheels at a discount, so I say if you paid full price, you should expect (cosmetic) perfection, otherwise, you could just buy slightly, cosmetically marked wheels at a discount or used, for that matter.

Edit - just looked at your pics. I don't think those imperfections are large/bad enough to do anything about, honestly.
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Well, Apex sells blemished wheels at a discount, so I say if you paid full price, you should expect (cosmetic) perfection, otherwise, you could just buy slightly, cosmetically marked wheels at a discount or used, for that matter.

Edit - just looked at your pics. I don't think those imperfections are large/bad enough to do anything about, honestly.
+1 on the b stock stuff... I haven't seen any of their B-stock wheels, but it could be something to explore. Apex is a pretty stand up company and it may be worth a shot. Some of those 'blemishes' are very minor though!
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Just got a set of Apex wheels from Bimmerworld. I'm super stoked about these wheels and have been eyeing them for about a year.

However, I'm a bit of a perfectionist - I inspected each wheel out of the box. Here are some things I've caught on just the face of each wheel. 2 out of 4 of them seem to have a bit more nicks/imperfections than what I'm comfortable with.

General theme is that there are slight nicks, dimples, scuffing and/or a wavy finish in small parts.

Am I being overly critical?

Wheel 1: https://imgur.com/a/idu7l
Wheel 2: https://imgur.com/a/P26qH
Wheel 3: https://imgur.com/a/JbAyV
Wheel 4: https://imgur.com/a/aebcp
Man! You are exceptionally picky. I can't even see blemishes in half of those photos. So, to answer your question, I would be embarrassed asking for them to take those back.
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Default Re: What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

Appreciate the honest feedback albeit a bit curt.

On another note, I find the conversation around Chinese manufacturing to be a bit of a hyperbole. As a recent home owner, I've seen my far share of modern household goods, tools, etc. where Chinese manufacturing/assembling are superior to American manufacturing/assembling (based on my purchases in the last 2.5 years of being a homeowner).

For example, I'm an avid BBQ'er and purchased 4 to 5 sets of wireless thermometers / temperature control devices for my Kamado smoker. Partially to experiment, and partially because I like new toys. Without a doubt, the one made in the USA is the worst in terms of tolerance and reliability (PartyQ in case anyone is keeping score).

I think at the end of the day, it depends on the design/specs and the level of acceptable tolerance from the company who is outsourcing their manufacturing/assembling to China. The idea of blaming China of bad manufacturing instead of the company's acceptable tolerance is a bit funny to me - and that kind of thinking also seems a bit dangerous if people don't realize how far manufacturing technology has come in other countries (makes us less competitive and aware of our landscape).

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Well, Apex sells blemished wheels at a discount, so I say if you paid full price, you should expect (cosmetic) perfection, otherwise, you could just buy slightly, cosmetically marked wheels at a discount or used, for that matter.

Edit - just looked at your pics. I don't think those imperfections are large/bad enough to do anything about, honestly.
Their blemished thread was the reason I brought this up, since I noticed similar blemishes - thus the question, what's the level of tolerance I should expect. Sounds like the answer is "who gives a ****, they are only $1,000 to $1,500 wheels."
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Default Re: What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

You bought pretty cheap but light/strong wheels. Apex is not known for amazing finishes, especially under a loop.

Those wheels look fine to me - put them on the car and drive 150 miles - then count the blems caused by actual use.



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Just got a set of Apex wheels from Bimmerworld. I'm super stoked about these wheels and have been eyeing them for about a year.

However, I'm a bit of a perfectionist - I inspected each wheel out of the box. Here are some things I've caught on just the face of each wheel. 2 out of 4 of them seem to have a bit more nicks/imperfections than what I'm comfortable with.

General theme is that there are slight nicks, dimples, scuffing and/or a wavy finish in small parts.

Am I being overly critical?

Wheel 1: https://imgur.com/a/idu7l
Wheel 2: https://imgur.com/a/P26qH
Wheel 3: https://imgur.com/a/JbAyV
Wheel 4: https://imgur.com/a/aebcp
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Default Re: What's your tolerance for small defects before you request for an exchange?

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Appreciate the honest feedback albeit a bit curt.

On another note, I find the conversation around Chinese manufacturing to be a bit of a hyperbole. As a recent home owner (2.5 years), I've seen my far share of household goods, tools, etc. where Chinese manufacturing/assembling are superior to American manufacturing/assembling.

I think at the end of the day, it depends on the design/specs and the level of acceptable tolerance from the company who is outsourcing their manufacturing/assembling to China.
There is a lot of gray area when it comes to country of manufacture. I'm not too knowledgeable in this arena but I know that oftentimes something is made in one country with final assembly in another country. The end product is "made in" the final country of assembly even though it is technically manufactured elsewhere. But yes, Chinese are definitely capable of producing quality goods. It's just a matter of QC/oversight and whether or not there is a market for top shelf goods.

Sorry to go off tangent but those blemishes are ultra-minor and only visible from inches away. I would be more bothered by rock chips that accumulate every time you drive your car on the road.
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