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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 10:29:37 PM   #71
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I love the S54, and love it in the E46.
I love the S65, and love it in the E92.
I don't get motor swaps, personally. So much headache for little gain. If you want the other motor so bad, get the other car. Both motors are great.
If you can’t see the apeal of a 8200rpm, 500+ hp v10 in a small, 3000lb chassis compared to a large, 4000 lbs sedan chassis... I don’t know if I’m going to be able to sell you on it

There are certain combos that seem way better to me than anything that was ever offered by OEs. F20C 2002. N52 e30. S85 e46M
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If you want a seemless, factory like swap in the e46, the s62 is probably the best betó same ecu as our car, so the electronics are pretty plug-and-play, and the s62 has a ton of power left on the table for modsó 500hp is easily attainable with bolt ons/tune.
I looked into this due to how easy the electronics and integration would be but physically fitting the motor seems to be a huge hurdle due to oil pump/sump/pan location. From what I gather people have done it with a slightly modded Alpina B8 (unobtanium) setup or dry sump (way above my pay grade). Any other solutions you know of?
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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 10:38:45 PM   #73
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I love the S54, and love it in the E46.
I love the S65, and love it in the E92.
I don't get motor swaps, personally. So much headache for little gain. If you want the other motor so bad, get the other car. Both motors are great.
As someone who loves to wrench I think motor swaps are some of the coolest, most fun and interesting projects :-)
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Old Tue, Feb-13-2018, 11:01:55 PM   #74
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If you can’t see the apeal of a 8200rpm, 500+ hp v10 in a small, 3000lb chassis compared to a large, 4000 lbs sedan chassis... I don’t know if I’m going to be able to sell you on it

There are certain combos that seem way better to me than anything that was ever offered by OEs. F20C 2002. N52 e30. S85 e46M
I can see a V10 E46 or F20C 2002 because they are so different. But an S65 in an E46, while cool, is just not different enough. I'm actually agreeing with your prior post.
The S54 is a sweet engine, and the heart of this sweet car. I have no urge to replace it. Build it up if more power is needed, IMO.

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As someone who loves to wrench I think motor swaps are some of the coolest, most fun and interesting projects :-)
As a challenge, I totally applaud the undertaking. And if done cleanly, it can be awesome. But I can't wrench, so it would be a massive bill to replace an awesome engine with .. another awesome engine.
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If you canít see the apeal of a 8200rpm, 500+ hp v10 in a small, 3000lb chassis compared to a large, 4000 lbs sedan chassis... I donít know if Iím going to be able to sell you on it

There are certain combos that seem way better to me than anything that was ever offered by OEs. F20C 2002. N52 e30. S85 e46M
Having owned an S52 swapped E36, I am a big fan of motor swaps. All of these swaps are on my list, though I'd add an S54 E9. The S85 E46 could possibly be even better than stock since the extra weight should be able to sit closer to the center of the car...
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I looked into this due to how easy the electronics and integration would be but physically fitting the motor seems to be a huge hurdle due to oil pump/sump/pan location. From what I gather people have done it with a slightly modded Alpina B8 (unobtanium) setup or dry sump (way above my pay grade). Any other solutions you know of?
Dry sump would be a necessity for me, as I believe itís the only way to keep the R&P steeringó not something Iíd want to lose off the e46!
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Dry sump would be a necessity for me, as I believe itís the only way to keep the R&P steeringó not something Iíd want to lose off the e46!
Dry sump also forces you to loose AC :X
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Old Wed, Feb-14-2018, 04:11:47 AM   #78
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I can see a V10 E46 or F20C 2002 because they are so different. But an S65 in an E46, while cool, is just not different enough. I'm actually agreeing with your prior post.
The S54 is a sweet engine, and the heart of this sweet car. I have no urge to replace it. Build it up if more power is needed, IMO.
Totally agreed. Also, call me crazy, but I think the noise of the S54 up to 8k is so sweet/special. The S65 is a hell of a v8 and the sound on cold start gets me every time, but the S54 (not far off the euro S50B32) comes from the time of the S70/2 in the F1 and sounds too close to pass up:

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my car from inside

Front engine/rwd/straight six is so iconic, from the e type to Nissan Z cars, and I can't think of a factory I6 that revs to 8k, excluding motorcycles (rb26 but that doesn't really make power there like the S54 @7900)
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No offense or anything, but that's what I don't get. Why own a 4 door saloon as a garage queen/weekender.. Not that it isn't a special experience, but the purpose of the M5 is to be a daily rocketship/people hauler imo. If you have the means though...
easy....its the biggest piece of sh!t ive ever owned. ive dropped $20k into maintenance over the 7 years ive owned it....its not worth anything to sell it...so it stays in the garage and driven whenever i fancy a run...the fun is had in the E46...and ive got a company car as a DD.

long story short, dont buy one lol
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easy....its the biggest piece of sh!t ive ever owned. ive dropped $20k into maintenance over the 7 years ive owned it....its not worth anything to sell it...so it stays in the garage and driven whenever i fancy a run...the fun is had in the E46...and ive got a company car as a DD.

long story short, dont buy one lol
HAH, I gotcha. I guess you're one of the lucky suckers who gets to enjoy those things
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