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Old Fri, Sep-05-2014, 08:29:31 PM   #51
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agreed - but it also means 911s cost significantly more than an m3, used or new.

not many cars are better than a standard Carrera S
Agreed. Even the base car is phenomenal to drive. I'd only buy an S if I were going to track it. Gimmie a base with sport exhaust and a 6 speed and I'm happy. The rest would be gravy.
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Agreed. Even the base car is phenomenal to drive. I'd only buy an S if I were going to track it. Gimmie a base with sport exhaust and a 6 speed and I'm happy. The rest would be gravy.
Before 991 came out, the 997 was quite enticing. I was --><-- close from getting one. After 991, there is no way to get a used 997 now, its just night and day difference inside.
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Before 991 came out, the 997 was quite enticing. I was --><-- close from getting one. After 991, there is no way to get a used 997 now, its just night and day difference inside.
Yes, the interior in the 991 is stoopid nice compared to the 997. But the 997 gives you more feedback which between the 2 I prefer. But if I were to get a convertible it'd be a 991 all the way (not that I've been pricing them...lol).
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here's an option i haven't seen mentioned... it's older, it can be difficult, and it's often expensive to repair, but the 944 turbo is a blast to drive, especially when well sorted. a lot of conversation about 911s - 997 or 991 - but that is a WHOLE OTHER tax bracket! i've had everything but the 991, but no 911 comes in at e46 M3 money other than a base 996 and even that might be a stretch. you can make a 944 turbo stupid fast for relatively little money and the handling is simply amazing. i had a 997S and it honestly bored me - just too composed and capable to be any fun. no matter what i buy, i always go back to older analog cars! always more fun.
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I have a garage queen 997 Carrera S 6spd and it is more fun to look at than drive. It is kind of boring and uncomfortable once you are out on the road. It is the kind of car you can't wait to drive and then when you're driving you want to do something else. However it is really nice to look at, fun to detail, and keeps appreciating so it stays.

Frankly, I find my E46 M3 to be more engaging to drive on a regular basis.

My impression is Porsches are some of the most overrated cars on the planet, but somehow I keep buying more.
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I have a garage queen 997 Carrera S 6spd and it is more fun to look at than drive. It is kind of boring and uncomfortable once you are out on the road. It is the kind of car you can't wait to drive and then when you're driving you want to do something else.
we feel identical about the 997S.

buuuuuut, tell me about the challenge stradale!!!

i have come so close several times to buying a V8V, but the lack of a rear seat/area at all always killed it for me. one of the best penned cars of all time. btw, i love the aircooled 911s - the best practical sports car ever built, imo. the only watercooled i'd like to have - the 996.2 GT3.
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we feel identical about the 997S.


this is fascinating to me because I always figured the 997S was the king of the "sporty, <3500 lbs, analog" cars from the mid-00s (aside from crazy stuff like GT3, etc.) .

I figured it was 997S on top, then 996 vs. E46 M3 for second tier, and everything else.

But no huh? All my UK car mags had me believing it was the greatest steer this side of a Caterham.
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The only car I've driven lately that's given me the fizz is the AMG GT-S. There was an Alfa QF, McLaren, new M3 and M4, M6, several 911s, all great cars by the way, but none stood out to me nearly as much as the Benz did. The Benz is unique, rare, very silly, and amazingly well built.

However, after putting less than 3000 miles on my M3 last year, I decided to stretch its legs over the last few weekends by taking several long drives through the Rockies. One thing that became abundantly clear is that no car will feel different on curvy mountain roads where you'll encounter traffic, cops, unreasonably low speed limits, and whatever else. I drove behind a newer 911 Turbo two weeks ago and regardless of the difference in power, he could not pull away from me due to aforementioned reasons. The other thing is that I've fallen for this car all over again. It's a gem.

So yeah, I'd love to be in the F430 or the AMG GTS, they are better cars, but is it worth 100k just to have the same driving experience on a public road but with multitudes of added attention and perhaps some maintenance anxiety on top of it?
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The only car I've driven lately that's given me the fizz is the AMG GT-S. There was an Alfa QF, McLaren, new M3 and M4, M6, several 911s, all great cars by the way, but none stood out to me nearly as much as the Benz did. The Benz is unique, rare, very silly, and amazingly well built.

However, after putting less than 3000 miles on my M3 last year, I decided to stretch its legs over the last few weekends by taking several long drives through the Rockies. One thing that became abundantly clear is that no car will feel different on curvy mountain roads where you'll encounter traffic, cops, unreasonably low speed limits, and whatever else. I drove behind a newer 911 Turbo two weeks ago and regardless of the difference in power, he could not pull away from me due to aforementioned reasons. The other thing is that I've fallen for this car all over again. It's a gem.

So yeah, I'd love to be in the F430 or the AMG GTS, they are better cars, but is it worth 100k just to have the same driving experience on a public road but with multitudes of added attention and perhaps some maintenance anxiety on top of it?
Agreed. In terms of real performance in real-world conditions, you really start to get into diminishing returns when you have more than 300 HP and spend more than $40K on a performance car. After that, you quickly get into diminishing returns and unless you spend time on the track, the rest is just status, I guess. This was a big reason why I sold my 993 Porsche. It seemed like there was nowhere nearby where I could really drive it.
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