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Old Thu, Jul-22-2010, 08:40:23 AM   #11
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Hey John, Mike at garageworks used to throw Poker tourneys at his house and use to be a tech at weatherford?
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Hey John, Mike at garageworks used to throw Poker tourneys at his house and use to be a tech at weatherford?
only played poker at his place once.. but yea, tech at Weatherford.
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Old Thu, Jul-22-2010, 04:20:12 PM   #13
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E36 is 3 hours for Inspection I and 4 hours for Inspection II plus parts.

E46 is 6 hours Inspection I or II plus parts but 30K is 9 hours and 60K is 12.2 hours

These cars need lots of attention and when they don't get it they complain loudly and die.

MServiceGarage is also in Vallejo on Tuolumne St. Adrian is the Concord BMW Master Tech.

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NO, it's Hal with the M3/4.
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Old Thu, Jul-22-2010, 07:23:53 PM   #16
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We do the Inspection II for the e46 M3 in 6 hours including the valve adjustment. Book calls for the valve adjust to be done every 30k miles, not 60k and it states 4 hours, not 6.

Shops that are overcharging for the Inspection II on the e46 M3 is the reason why so many guys are doing it themselves. The most time consuming part is the valve adjust, but that isn't rocket science. It just takes time, they even have detailed DIY on YouTube.
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Joe's right about the 30K valve adjustments. At 60K the E46 gets spark plugs as well and the book calls for 12.2 hours for the entire service, Adrian said more like 9 hours total. Inspection I or II does not equal the 30K/60K labor estimates. At MServiceGarage, that's $104/hr plus your parts which will be all the fluids, plugs, filters, gasket set and shim kit. This doesn;t cover anything we uncover like belts, hoses, brakes, bushings, or the rest of the cooling system.

From the book:

Diagnose/Test
Diagnostic Readout Box
Read out diagnostic system.

Vehicle
Road test with check of brakes, suspension, steering, clutch/manual transmission or automatic transmission.


Inspect
Air Bag Systems
Visually examine the SRS airbag units for torn covers, obvious damage or attachment of decals, decorations or accessories.

Axle Shaft Assembly
Half shafts: Check for leaks at flexible boots.

Battery
Check battery state-of-charge, and charge if required.

Body and Frame
Inspect entire body according to terms of rust perforation limited warranty (must be performed at least every two years).

Brake Fluid
Check level of brake and clutch fluid in reservoir. Add fluid if required. Replace brake fluid every 2 years (time interval begins from vehicles production date).

Brakes and Traction Control
FRONT ONLY: Remove and install front disc brake pads, check overall thickness. Record results. Examine brake disc surfaces. Clean brake pad contact point in calipers. Grease wheel centering hubs. REAR ONLY: Check overall thickness of rear disc brake pads using special tool. Record results. If replacement is necessary: Examine brake disc surfaces. Clean brake pad contact points in calipers. Grease wheel centering hubs. Check thickness of parking brake linings only when replacing rear pads. Record results.

Clutch Hydraulic System
Check clutch system connections and lines for leaks, damage, and incorrect positioning.

Cooling System
Check engine cooling system/ heater hose connections for leaks. Check coolant level and antifreeze protection level; add coolant if necessary. Note: Coolant must be replaced every 4 years (time interval begins from vehicle's production date).

Differential Assembly
Check rear axle for leaks.

Doors, Hood and Trunk ((Latches))
Check operation of all latches.

Exhaust System
Check condition, position, and mounting of exhaust system. Examine for leaks.

Fuel Supply Line
Visually check fuel tank, lines and connections for leaks.

Fuel Tank
Visually check fuel tank, lines and connections for leaks.

Heating and Air Conditioning
Check heater/air conditioner blower fan, rear window defogger. Check air conditioner for operation.

Hydraulic System, Brakes
Check brake system connections and lines for leaks, damage, and incorrect positioning.

Instrument Panel, Gauges and Warning Indicators
Check instrument panel and dashboard illumination. Check all warning/indicator lights, check control.

Lighting and Horns
Check lighting system, i.e., headlights, foglights, parking, back-up, license plate, interior (including map reading lights), glove box, flashlight, illuminated make-up mirrors, luggage compartment lights. Check turn signals, hazard warning flashers, brake lights, horns, headlight dimmer/flasher switch.

Locks
Check central locking/double lock.

Mirrors
Check rear view mirrors.

Parking Brake System
Check parking brake actuation. Adjust if necessary.

Power Steering
Check power steering system for leaks. Check P/S fluid level; add fluid necessary.

Seat Belt Systems
Check condition and function of safety belts.

Steering
Check steering for absence of play, condition of suspension track rods, front axle joints, steering linkage and joint disc.

Tires
Check all tire pressures (including spare). Correct if necessary. Check condition of tires (outer surfaces [left/right]), tread wear and pattern; in case of uneven tread wear readjust wheel alignment if requested. Note: If requested, rotate all four road wheels as instructed and rebalance.

Wiper and Washer Systems
Check wipers and washer system(S); wiper blades, washer jet positions. Check windshield washer fluid level and antifreeze protection. Fill up and/or correct if necessary.


Inspect/Adjust
Valve Clearance
Check and adjust valves.


Lubricate
Convertible Top Hinge
Lubricate convertible top hinge covers.


Replace
Air Filter Element
Replace intake air cleaner element. NOTE: Reduce replacement interval in dusty operating conditions.

Alarm System Transmitter
Recharge or replace batteries for remote controls in all vehicle master keys.

Cabin Air Filter
Replace microfilters. Note›0m: Reduce replacement interval in dusty operating conditions.

Engine Oil
Change oil and filter while engine is at operating temperature. Use only Castrol TWS Motorsports SAE 10W-60 Synthetic oil, or Castrol Formula RS 10W-60 Synthetic oil, BMW p/n 07 51 0 009 420

Fluid - A/T
Replace transmission fluid.

Fluid - Differential
Replace differential oil.

Oil Filter, Engine

Spare Tire (M-Mobility System)
Replace M-Mobility System sealant cartridge every 3 years.

Spark Plug
Replace spark plugs.


Reset
Service Reminder Indicators
Reset Service Indicator. Note: Do not reset Service Indicator when additional oil changes (between the normal intervals) are requested by the customer.


To sum up: Most of these services could be accomplished by the DIYer. Valve adjustments might be a stretch for some. If you can't do it then bring your car in after you've completed the majority of the mundane but necessary tasks. A word of caution, don't let a friend perform this maintenance if they are not qualified. Mistakes are made and then the head has to come off for a valve job. This is going to be very expensive and who's going to pay for it?

Just the valve adjustment by itself is 5.9 hours but you'll save yourself hundreds of dollars on parts and labor by doing the filter and fluid chenges. Bring the used oil with you and most can dispose of it for you.

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Old Thu, Jul-22-2010, 10:54:53 PM   #18
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Thanks for the feedback! Its been a while since I've been in the forum ,"hence the low post count." Two kids back to back can take up alot of time. But I can tell peeps are still helpfull and posting up some funny stuff.

forgot to mention that I started a new account because i forgot my old name. Thats how long its been.
Anyone know how to delete an account?
call me or Liz asap for this info....my buddies can handle it all.
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Hal, 12.2 hours for Inspection II? 5.9 hours for valve adjust? That is crazy, sorry man.

We do the complete Inspection II, including valve adjustment...for about a grand. I can't see why anyone should pay more.
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Old Fri, Jul-23-2010, 12:38:55 AM   #20
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Adrian said 9 hours for the 60K at about $1200-1300. The last three M3s he did all fell within that price range before AAA or SCCA discounts.
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