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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Mon, Jan-07-2019, 03:12:28 PM   #21
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Default Re: Suspension - OEM Sachs vs Bilstein B12 Pro Kit

No, the B12 Kit for this car is with the standard HD B6 dampers.

As stated, there are no B8s for this chassis.

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The b12 are b6s. The b8s were for the none M as stated above.
I haven't driven on those with eibachs. But on vogtlands with the bump stops shortened, they are out of this world better. Like you wouldn't believe the difference it makes. Super super planted. U can keep ur foot in it in corners. Like 10 times more grip I kid u not.
Haha, yep... unbelievably good handling and control. It's about as good as you could get this car, on the street.

Just beware the front bumptravel..... easily resolved with a careful trimming of the internal bumpstops (but not too much) OR a short camber plate.
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The b12 are b6s. The b8s were for the none M as stated above.
I haven't driven on those with eibachs. But on vogtlands with the bump stops shortened, they are out of this world better. Like you wouldn't believe the difference it makes. Super super planted. U can keep ur foot in it in corners. Like 10 times more grip I kid u not.
Thatís good to hear. Iíve never heard of people pairing these with Vogtlands and am quite interested by the concoction.

Do you have a pic of your stance?

Also what wheel alignment did you spec your car to (e.g. standard M3 with 19Ē or CSL alignment spec etc).
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Old Mon, Jan-07-2019, 03:25:48 PM   #23
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Thatís good to hear. Iíve never heard of people pairing these with Vogtlands and am quite interested by the concoction.

Do you have a pic of your stance?

Also what wheel alignment did you spec your car to (e.g. standard M3 with 19Ē or CSL alignment spec etc).
-1.8 FRONT -1.5 REAR. nothing extreme it sits 2 cms lower than stock. Bang on. I'll try to find a pic for u.
The b6s on stock springs where terrible.it was higher than stock, and used to wobble in corners. The addition of the springs made all the difference.
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No, the B12 Kit for this car is with the standard HD B6 dampers.

As stated, there are no B8s for this chassis.
Well hell...I'm going to have to go back and check my orders just for my own edification. But gd it! Gonna have to cancel an order if you're right, and I'm sure you are. *$#&. The stock convertible springs were a PIA to get in by myself. Best place to order eiback springs?
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Default Re: Suspension - OEM Sachs vs Bilstein B12 Pro Kit

I'm sorry, I don't mean to argue, but even when I search for a 2005 M3 on Bilstein's site, it has the same part number you listed, and says it is paired with a B8 strut. So do they just list the B8 and send out the B6? This is really confusing...

https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/produ...76295894154322

And the other link provided for the B12 kit posted didn't mention which damper models were included.
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to argue, but even when I search for a 2005 M3 on Bilstein's site, it has the same part number you listed, and says it is paired with a B8 strut. So do they just list the B8 and send out the B6? This is really confusing...

https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/produ...76295894154322

And the other link provided for the B12 kit posted didn't mention which damper models were included.
If you have ordered your kit from Bilstein but already have B6 dampers then I suggest that you call up Bilstein and cancel the order.

Either that, or accept the new B6 dampers and then sell your old B6 dampers when you fit the kit.

Either way the B12 Kit = B6 + Eibach.

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-1.8 FRONT -1.5 REAR. nothing extreme it sits 2 cms lower than stock. Bang on. I'll try to find a pic for u.
The b6s on stock springs where terrible.it was higher than stock, and used to wobble in corners. The addition of the springs made all the difference.
Looking forward to the pic
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If you have ordered your kit from Bilstein but already have B6 dampers then I suggest that you call up Bilstein and cancel the order.

Either that, or accept the new B6 dampers and then sell your old B6 dampers when you fit the kit.

Either way the B12 Kit = B6 + Eibach.

Good luck
I'm going to keep the order and compare when they arrive. I'm just too curious.

But, the B6 HD's, I just installed those a few weeks ago. Those do feel amazing compared to the KW V1's I had. Brought the ride height back up quite a bit. But I also threw on new factory coils at the same time.
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Default Re: Suspension - OEM Sachs vs Bilstein B12 Pro Kit

Curious about what? Bilstein only makes one set of dampers for this car (not including the pss9/10 or clubsport coilover struts).

You can buy them individually, or in a set of 4, or in a set with eibach prokit lowering springs. The pss9/10 even uses the same rear shocks afaik.
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I'm going to keep the order and compare when they arrive. I'm just too curious.

But, the B6 HD's, I just installed those a few weeks ago. Those do feel amazing compared to the KW V1's I had. Brought the ride height back up quite a bit. But I also threw on new factory coils at the same time.
If you just bought your B6s a couple weeks ago, then I suggest you cancel the B12 Kit order and order a set of Eibach Pro Kit Lowering Springs instead.
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