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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Thu, Dec-14-2017, 12:38:29 PM   #11
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Default Re: Clutch and Flywheel Recommendations

There is no reliability concern with any of the stock components. If reliability is your primary concern, moving off them is a step in the wrong direction.

If you want lighter/better feel, there are better options out there. So far every one I've experienced has come with the side effect of noise, which has made them a non starter for me.
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Default Re: Clutch and Flywheel Recommendations

This is one area you should leave alone.
Stock clutch and flywheel, and only use bmw OE slave master cylinders and throw out bearings.
Rock solid setup.
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Old Thu, Dec-14-2017, 01:31:22 PM   #13
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Does the steel flywheel not rattle when compared to aluminum? I thought single mass fly wheels chatter from being single and not dual!


I donít get any rattle/chatter, honestly no negative impact. On the positive side the engine revs a little faster. I notice it most on the track when downshifting.


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I've got the Rogue Engineering stage 1 clutch with single mass steel flywheel. Lighter than stock (14lbs) without the chatter of an aluminum wheel. Pretty happy with it so far on street and track.
I'd like to drive a car with the RE Steel flywheel. I just drove a car to CA with Rouge's Alu flywheel, and it was super obnoxious. The cars owner is going back to stock after that experience
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Default Re: Clutch and Flywheel Recommendations

Depends on the condition of your tranny I guess. If you look at the JB flywheel, it makes sense why it would rattle. Itís essentially a block of aluminum. It does rattle.

Not sure how a clutch or pressure plate would rattle?

Still think stock is the way to go.


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Default Re: Clutch and Flywheel Recommendations

When installing a single mass flywheel, as long as you install the proper clutch disc that has a center sprung hub, you should not experience abnormal transmission rattle. On both my E36 (s50 engine) and E30 (stock engine), I converted to steel single mass flywheels with a center sprung disc, without any abnormal transmission noise.

I have no experience converting an E46 M3 (mine is still a stock), but would be very surprised if it doesn't behave the same as the E30 and E36 conversions i have done over the years.

Now, I have driven friend's cars (E36) that converted to a lightweight aluminum single mass flywheel and used the stock (non-sprung) disc. Yes, these cars rattle - a lot!
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When installing a single mass flywheel, as long as you install the proper clutch disc that has a center sprung hub, you should not experience abnormal transmission rattle. On both my E36 (s50 engine) and E30 (stock engine), I converted to steel single mass flywheels with a center sprung disc, without any abnormal transmission noise.

I have no experience converting an E46 M3 (mine is still a stock), but would be very surprised if it doesn't behave the same as the E30 and E36 conversions i have done over the years.

Now, I have driven friend's cars (E36) that converted to a lightweight aluminum single mass flywheel and used the stock (non-sprung) disc. Yes, these cars rattle - a lot!

The problem with the E46 M3 is I donít think there are many aftermarket sprung JB clutch options???


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The problem with the E46 M3 is I donít think there are many aftermarket sprung JB clutch options???


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I am afraid that without installing the center sprung clutch disc, you will loose ALL crankshaft pulse dampening...To me, this is not wise retrofit...
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Default Re: Clutch and Flywheel Recommendations

Here is a kit from ECS tuning that uses an aluminum flywheel with a center sprung disc...Maybe someone makes a similar kit for a steel single mass flywheel?

Again, the key is to use a center sprung disc when retrofitting to SMF to retain the dampening properties of the original DMF flywheel. I feel this important point does not get emphasized enough in many of the forums posts I have read throughout my years of wrenching on BMWs.

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assemble...20-010s-s874g/
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I am afraid that without installing the center sprung clutch disc, you will loose ALL crankshaft pulse dampening...To me, this is not wise retrofit...

Many engine builders donít like LTW flywheels and crank dampers although there are varying opinions. What Iíve been told is you can do the damper or flywheel but not both.


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