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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Tue, May-14-2019, 02:17:44 AM   #11
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my track sessions don't usually go on longer than 30 minutes but yes sometimes they do

Do you think that a 30 minute session will be too hard on a CSL rotor?
The issue isn't heating - it is the cooling rate which streses the rotor.

I see very few drilled rotors at the track. Yes - I have seen cracked drilled rotors in the paddock. Some were on their way to failure - some had enough cracks that they were done right then.

There is nothing to be gained with drilled rotors. So given their weakness - I don't see a reason for them.
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Trying to decide which rotors I should choose and thought you guys know best. Keep in mind price is no issue because of FCP warranty. Also keep in mind that these are my ONLY 2 choices. My car is a daily driver that sees between 5-10 track days a year.

OEM Rotor (Blank)
Pros:
-Not prone to cracking
-Lower Heat Cycling Spikes because of increased Mass

Cons:
-No BBK upgrade
-No Where for pad buildup to go?

CSL Rotor
Pros:
-996 BBK upgrade available
-Holes for Pad buildup to escape?
-Looks freakin awesome
-More "edges" leading to better braking?

Cons:
-more prone to cracking

As of now Im more leaning to the CSL rotor because im thinking of a future 996 BBK. Somebody help me make the right choice. Thank you!
I run the 996/CSL brakes with PFC-08 and aftermarket cooling on a HPDE/competitive TT M3 and absolutely love the setup for the cost. Stock with track pads is no comparison.

Now granted I would prefer slotted discs, but with FCP lifetime warranty, decision was a no-brainer as I can replace as needed at practically no cost.

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Old Tue, May-14-2019, 07:47:06 AM   #13
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how does that business model work...i predict they will be closing shop very soon lol
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how does that business model work...i predict they will be closing shop very soon lol
If it becomes a loss-leader - I suspect they would simply end that offer.
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how does that business model work...i predict they will be closing shop very soon lol
Their average customer is not a track junky who replaces half their car every 6 months.
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how does that business model work...i predict they will be closing shop very soon lol
They sell for higher margin up front and probably hope that the process is too annoying for most returns to be completed properly. Between that and people that get a.d.d. and change cars often, thus losing the "warranty", I'd think they are safe when it comes to having to close up shop. If anything, this is cheaper than a marketing budget for them as they seem to get mentioned in almost every single thread posted here. Not a bad strategy when you really think about it. I too wonder if/when the program will be put to an end. It would be extremely interesting to see the utilization rate of their program.
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They sell for higher margin up front and probably hope that the process is too annoying for most returns to be completed properly. Between that and people that get a.d.d. and change cars often, thus losing the "warranty", I'd think they are safe when it comes to having to close up shop. If anything, this is cheaper than a marketing budget for them as they seem to get mentioned in almost every single thread posted here. Not a bad strategy when you really think about it. I too wonder if/when the program will be put to an end. It would be extremely interesting to see the utilization rate of their program.
Indeed, this is what I also suspect (really the only thing that makes sense). I'm very curious what their internal numbers on this have looked like in the last couple years. I've got most possible wear items on my fuel system, intake, drivetrain, and brakes (went with CSL rotors myself, with Castrol SRF Racing fluid cuz why not) FCP warrantied at this point and it's very comforting to know that there's little else I can spend on this car at this point. I plan to keep the car for a very long time, but the average FCP customer probably won't. I really hope the deal lasts at least a few more years, but who knows if/when it'll go away.
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how does that business model work...i predict they will be closing shop very soon lol
The cost of the program is effectively their marketing budget. They are also a huge company. If the program was hurting their bottom line it would already be gone.

I did some research on different company that did the same thing. The posted 128mil profit the year prior and used 1.5% of net profit to fund the program. For pennies they generate undying customer loyalty and reap the rewards of an outrageous number of referrals. Rinse and repeat.

On the face it seems insane but if you make enough money it’s a brilliant business model. Also, 99% of their customers won’t ever return a single part.


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They sell for higher margin up front and probably hope that the process is too annoying for most returns to be completed properly...
They are a little higher than other online retailers but not always. I’ve priced out bigger jobs (like my SMG swap) and the prices varied by small amounts.

Clearly you’ve never returned anything with them or you’d know the process is painfully easy for any product. I just did a round of maintenance and sent back a pile of crap (including diff fluid). They received the items on Monday and it was processed and refunded Tuesday by the time I woke up.

Also, a tip for those that use the service. Use paypal when you buy replacement parts. The money gets back to your account 1-2 days ahead of a return processed to a card.
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They are a little higher than other online retailers but not always. Iíve priced out bigger jobs (like my SMG swap) and the prices varied by small amounts.

Clearly youíve never returned anything with them or youíd know the process is painfully easy for any product. I just did a round of maintenance and sent back a pile of crap (including diff fluid). They received the items on Monday and it was processed and refunded Tuesday by the time I woke up.

Also, a tip for those that use the service. Use paypal when you buy replacement parts. The money gets back to your account 1-2 days ahead of a return processed to a card.
I've never purchased from them but they've 'clearly' done a good job of recruiting you as a non-paid salesperson. Another benefit of their business model
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I now buy all my consumables for the m3 as well as my wifeís Land Rover through fcp. I made the mistake of buying my initial round of maintenance items through ecs because their packaged kits were very easy to throw in a cart and go, thatís being corrected as I move forward into track/camping season. Itís a killer program and as mentioned I donít think itís actually as crazy on the p&l as people think.
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