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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Thu, Feb-14-2019, 06:51:36 PM   #11
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Please LORD please have them look like the RAC RG4s in 18. That would be absolutely epic.
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Where are these made, and what tonnage forge?
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Arc 8s forged are a win
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Forged in China or forged in Germany/Japan?
Extremely curious about this too. Is Apex planning to compete with the Chinese forged options that have entered the market as of late (Titan7, BimmerWorld, perhaps some other options I'm missing), or is this going to be a BBS/Rays competitor?

Personally, I think selling Rays-quality and strength, 10K ton forged wheels purpose made for the E46 platform in terms of sizes, designs, and offsets, that where readily available too (sorry RAC) would put Apex in a niche that isn't currently being filled, especially if they can sell them cheaper than what the established big name brands cost. That said, I'm uncertain how profitable being in said niche would be, so I'm guessing these will end up being Chinese wheels.

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Where are these made, and what tonnage forge?
Curious about tonnage also. I used to be under the impression you couldn't get 10K ton forged wheels (what Rays uses) from China, but apparently Titan7 is doing just that now, so that seems to have changed.

Finally, I'd also be curious as to what testing the wheels undergo/what standards they meet.
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Doubt they aim to compete with BBS/RAYS. If they do try that, nobody would buy them (in that price bracket).
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Are standard (flow formed?) ARC-8s not good enough? I don't hear about them failing. They're light @ 18lbs. They're cheap. What's the actual, real world upside of them being forged? Maybe a pound or two lighter?
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Are standard (flow formed?) ARC-8s not good enough? I don't hear about them failing. They're light @ 18lbs. They're cheap. What's the actual, real world upside of them being forged? Maybe a pound or two lighter?
They crack often. I don't remember Cali roads being spectacular but wayyyy better than the North East.

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They crack often. I don't remember Cali roads being spectacular but wayyyy better than the North East.

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Ok, I haven't heard that they were cracking, and they've been around a while now. I thought cast wheels were really the only ones cracking much.
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Are standard (flow formed?) ARC-8s not good enough? I don't hear about them failing. They're light @ 18lbs. They're cheap. What's the actual, real world upside of them being forged? Maybe a pound or two lighter?
My question as well... since they'll undoubtedly cost more, what's the benefit? Double the track use?
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Doubt they aim to compete with BBS/RAYS. If they do try that, nobody would buy them (in that price bracket).
Yeah, I figured going head-to-head with what are widely perceived to be the best made and best known forged wheels wouldn't likely work out. That said, I perceive two places where Apex might be able to find an advantage:

1.) Selling wheels in sizes/designs/offsets that make sense for our cars. With the current Apex flow-formed line, no matter what you want for your E46 wheel wise, they almost certainly have something that will work. If you want a Rays/BBS wheel, however, your options are far more limited.

2.) Sell for significantly less than Rays/BBS... though I'm not sure how easy this would be do while still offering comparable quality.

If Apex could offer both 1 and 2, they might have something. However, offering option 1 probably makes option 2 unfeasible (more variants = less economy of scale per variant), and vice-versa. So, again, I don't expect them to take this route, because even though it would give them a unique niche, I bet there's a reason no one else has tried to occupy said niche before them. Forged Chinese Arc-8's is a safer bet IMO.

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Ok, I haven't heard that they were cracking, and they've been around a while now. I thought cast wheels were really the only ones cracking much.
Are there reports of Apex's cracking under normal use? That's news to me as well, but I admittedly haven't done a ton of research into the matter.

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