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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
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Old Fri, Apr-10-2015, 09:39:43 PM   #41
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Default Re: Going back to stock: OEM Style 67 18's

It's interesting. I don't think the car looks worse with the OE18s than the RG63s, but it looks a decade older.
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You run -3.2 all the time (at track and street)?

I'm thinking about moving to square, which will force me to run that extreme all the time to save from rubbing issues. Some say it's bearable on the street, some say it's over sensitive (twitchy, tramlining, etc.)
Every situation. Even with snows. Braking in rutted areas will keep your attention and it's certainly not ideal, but it's not worth the hassle for me to change it all the time. Two hands on the wheel when it's raining on the highway is a necessity.

Surprisingly, I've had very even wear, But I think that's mostly because my toe setting is so negligible. 6-7k miles.

Running -2.0 rear. Also, running 20mm spacers up front bc it looked like something was broken when the were no spacers. I could probably rock 30mm with ease, but I'm not a spacer fan so I went with the minimum I consider acceptable.
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Old Fri, Apr-10-2015, 10:06:27 PM   #43
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Meh, I've tried the 245 fronts on stock 8" wheels with no other changes and it still understeers BADLY if you push too hard.
Even a 265 understeers in the front during autox. Ask me how I know.

People need to get over understeer. There are other ways to neutralize it, one of which is driving style and approach.

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You guys give the wider tire/skinny wheel way too much credit. These cars suck at doing u-turns in parking lots without lots of camber and lots of wheel/tire so why waste your time on marginal changes? Either go big or don't mess with it.... is my point.
Couldn't agree more.

Half of this forum is simply brainwashed when it comes to handling and cornering-related modifications and their true impact. One thing I learned after years of autocrossing is that it's 95% driver and maybe 5% product.

I've seen people in bone stock e46 M3's running stock wheels and tires dismantle advanced autocrossers with heavily cambered, squared, and coilovered M3's who were battling for a distant second (in pax time retrospect).

In my experience, all this tire size and square talk is exaggerated. For the most part, this also applies to tracking. I'm not saying that those modifications don't help. I'm saying they're a lot more meaningless than most of you imagine. People should be more concerned with modifying skills and less concerned with modifying the car.
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One thing I learned after years of autocrossing is that it's 95% driver and maybe 5% product.


In my experience, all this tire size and square talk is exaggerated. For the most part, this also applies to tracking. I'm not saying that those modifications don't help. I'm saying they're a lot more meaningless than most of you imagine. People should be more concerned with modifying skills and less concerned with modifying the car.
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Default Re: Going back to stock: OEM Style 67 18's

In my experience stock sizes feel the best for street use. The moment I went with wider tires the car felt sluggish, turn in response felt slower. Plus I prefer the look of the oem sizes, oversized tires look funny to me.
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Lol some of you are nuts!


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It's interesting. I don't think the car looks worse with the OE18s than the RG63s, but it looks a decade older.
It is strange that way - I've really really learned to appreciate how my car looks with the OE 18s at stock ride height. It's clean and simple and attractive, but somewhat dated.

Throw OEM 19s or ZCPs on the same car, no other changes, and the car looks instantly 10 years newer.

Edit: saw a cherry IB ZCP this morning with a slight drop..... OMG. That thing was mega pimpin'.
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Old Sat, Apr-11-2015, 01:51:04 AM   #48
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Default Re: Going back to stock: OEM Style 67 18's

Besides weight, I think they're great for DD. I may be among very few that likes them.
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Four things kill the OE18s for me (though I run them every year for 4-5 months as snows):
1) WEIGHT! They're super mega heavy. It's dramatic how much lighter on it's feet and faster the car feels every spring when I strap on the light weight summer wheels (tires are lighter as well)!
2) Offsets. I hate running spacers
3) brake clearance. I hate running spacers.
4) Front wheel size: I don't like how the car drives, on the street, with the 225 front and anything else is too much for the 8" wheel. And the offset is too shit for my taste to run a rear on the front on the street. Okay on the track, where you have extra camber.

what is the better size to run on the front then, while not going stupid wide and still having 30 different with the rear for dsc? 235 and 245s mean you are running a smaller circumference, right?
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what is the better size to run on the front then, while not going stupid wide and still having 30 different with the rear for dsc? 235 and 245s mean you are running a smaller circumference, right?
Pretty much you have to run a 30mm stagger or square, pick your poison. Personally I find 245/275 setup to be the least bad. If it weren't for dsc, I'd run a smaller rear.
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