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E46 M3 (2001-2006) Engine: S54 - Max Hp: 333 hp at 7,900 rpm / 262 lb/ft at 4,900 rpm
Total Produced: 45,000+ - Years Produced: 2001 to 2006.


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Old Sun, Feb-04-2018, 12:21:26 PM   #21
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Default Re: Smg to 6mt??? Hurt or increase?

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Did you just compare a Gallardo/$100k car to an e46 m3?!

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Compare the cars? No. Compare a buying process? Sure.

Let me guess, you converted your transmission to 6spd? Lol smg owners are hoping the swap raises the value of their car,...lmao good luck. And that’s no knock on smg, I actually dont mind them.
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Sigh, so that settles it. All smg cars should be swapped out! Including zcp and csl’s...since it changes nothing and increases price...
Would be nice to cure the world of the SMG plague. I did my part.
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Old Sun, Feb-04-2018, 04:41:11 PM   #23
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Pretty sure it'll increase the cars value, on average.

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Sigh, so that settles it. All smg cars should be swapped out! Including zcp and csl’s...since it changes nothing and increases price...
I'd convert an CSL to 6mt, if i had one. Even adds additional lightness to the CSL
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Old Sun, Feb-04-2018, 04:49:14 PM   #24
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We can agree to disagree, but that is a big hit and it won’t increase the price like you say it will imo. And there’s more risks/involvement to a transmission conversion vs changing interior seats lol. Hell there’s less risks with an exterior color change. Again we’re debating resale on a car generally selling for $10k-$15k these days.
I agree that a 6MT conversion (not a swap) is technically more invasive than an interior swap as the it requires special tools/machining/coding and an astute attention to detail to do it right.

That said, if done right, I do not agree that it's a 'big hit'. I would say that worst case scenario is that the value would be the same as it was pre-conversion but more likely the value will go up slightly simply due to supply/demand.

FAR, FAR more people want a 6MT car than an SMG car. A swapped car is in fact a 6MT car which means it's more desirable than an SMG car but less desirable than a factory 6MT car, I would think.

In the end, though, I do agree with your bigger point that if we're talking the average $15k car who gives a flying fukk. Swap the car and enjoy it. So what if you lose or gain a couple grand. Makes no difference in the grand scheme. But it will make a HUGE difference to your ownership enjoyment if you must have a 6MT.
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Old Sun, Feb-04-2018, 05:12:19 PM   #25
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So for a 2002 BMW M3, Alpine White on black manual bases leather interior, also slicktop. 55k miles with religious maintenance.

Does a SMG to manual help, destroy or doesn't effect the value? (not that it matter since I already did the swap and started to look into a MK60 swap too)
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So for a 2002 BMW M3, Alpine White on black manual bases leather interior, also slicktop. 55k miles with religious maintenance.

Does a SMG to manual help, destroy or doesn't effect the value? (not that it matter since I already did the swap and started to look into a MK60 swap too)
It'll likely range between not impacting the value to slightly adding to it. I wouldn't worry about it hurting the value except for the few people who have to have absolutely original everything.

What would hurt value IMO is taking short cuts. Not wiring in cruise control, not coding it properly, using an RTD-style shifter instead of an OE linkage, and so on.
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It'll likely range between not impacting the value to slightly adding to it. I wouldn't worry about it hurting the value except for the few people who have to have absolutely original everything.

What would hurt value IMO is taking short cuts. Not wiring in cruise control, not coding it properly, using an RTD-style shifter instead of an OE linkage, and so on.
I actually pulled the wiring from a donor and did a pin-to-pin conversion(clutch switch). Now how will it effect the value if I go with the MK60 swap? I would swap in a 2005-2006 chassis wiring harness, MK60 system and new brake lines. The end goal is OEM style swap. (why? don't know just want to. It will be a ZCP abs module, brakes and steering rack)

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I actually pulled the wiring from a donor and did a pin-to-pin conversion(clutch switch). Now how will it effect the value if I go with the MK60 swap? I would swap in a 2005-2006 chassis wiring harness, MK60 system and new brake lines. The end goal is OEM style swap. (why? don't know just want to. It will be a ZCP abs module, brakes and steering rack)

I like the way this thread going finally...

I would say it would’nt have any effect whatsoever in comparison to a trans swap/conversion. I only say that because not that many people even care about the MK60. But to the right buyer it can be worth something because its esentially just a mod.
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Default Re: Smg to 6mt??? Hurt or increase?

My understanding is that the smg transmission internals are in better condition than a factory manual of the same age so that’s a plus. The downside being the labor and costs of the swap that include wiring and coding. To me it’s more a situation where you do it for your own driving experience and it’ll likely help reselling it later as a 6spd vs smg, that is if your not marking it up just because you paid to have it swapped.


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Mine was converted. I wouldn’t of bought it if it was an smg. I know I wouldn’t of found mine in factory manual. And the conversion was done by kaiv and it was his personal car.
Same here, Kaiv had done mine 2years ago when my SMG pump went out. Have to say he did a fantastic job, probably better than the dealer. Had a new clutch gone in as well as few parts were replaced while he was at em. For a documentation purpose, he took several pics of the job as it progresses too. Kaiv is amazing! I have 0 issues since then!
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