What coilover would you recommend for carving canyons KW clubsports or TC Kline DA?

GrendelsbaneM3 · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 12:13:19 AM

Not really interested that much in track days, but I want a coilover that can handle spirited driving in a canyon on road trips without being so harsh that my back will kill me from daily driving the car.

Given the customer support statements here and the ability to chose the springs, I am leaning towards the TCK, but before plunking down my hard earned money, I wonder if I am missing something about the KW's. It looks like KW clubs have absolutely no warranty.

Kwakjoe · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 01:29:03 AM

Between those two, TCK

chsbmw · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 02:50:07 AM

Do it once, do it right. MCS singles. Had GC track/school on my E36 (comparable to TCK) and while the handling was great, the compliance wasn’t there. When I bought the E46, I held off until I could pull the trigger on the MCS’. At 9 clicks rear, 7 front, it rides more “comfy” and it is on rails with no squeaks, rattles or clunks. Not to mention my OCD is in check w the click-type rebound adjustment.

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GrendelsbaneM3 · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 04:30:16 AM

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Originally Posted by chsbmw

Do it once, do it right. MCS singles. Had GC track/school on my E36 (comparable to TCK) and while the handling was great, the compliance wasn’t there. When I bought the E46, I held off until I could pull the trigger on the MCS’. At 9 clicks rear, 7 front, it rides more “comfy” and it is on rails with no squeaks, rattles or clunks. Not to mention my OCD is in check w the click-type rebound adjustment.

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MCS is no doubt a great choice, but I can't justify the $$$. The TCK and KW's are pretty much the top end of what I want to spend on suspension.

**terraphantm** · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 05:26:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GrendelsbaneM3

MCS is no doubt a great choice, but I can't justify the $$$. The TCK and KW's are pretty much the top end of what I want to spend on suspension.

Ohlins then?

Nate047 · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 06:13:29 AM

I have KW Clubsports on my E36, they are a bit on the harsh side but everyone's got their own definition of "harsh." Adjustable top mounts are nice. Overall build quality is nice. I don't recall the warranty situation but I know they offer rebuild services, and if you don't like the spring rate you could always put a Swift spring of your choosing on there.

usdmej · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 06:26:20 AM

if you're just doing spirited canyon carving tbh just go with KWV2s or KWV3s. canyon roads (and the roads to get to them) aren't perfect so you'd benefit from the better street comfort they'd provide.

EricSMG · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 02:08:24 PM

A bone stock E46 M3 with PSS/PS4 tires in good working order is a killer canyon car. Add a little more front camber and it's darn near perfect. It will go faster than you have the balls to push. You don't need coil-overs for this.

You want coil-overs, which I totally get. Of those choices I'd go TCK DA, but know that this will force you into camber plates.

Edit - your current setup is probably a good step down from stock in terms of true handling, so your reference point may be skewed. A 1"+ front drop on soft spring without any bump-travel restored is simply not going to result in good handling over anything but the smoothest road.

twentyseven · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 02:50:20 PM

Can’t speak to the Clubsports but I have KW v3 on one of my cars, they are better than I expected (v2’s are a big step down) and very comfortable, but I’ve had four different M’s with TCK DA and they get my vote all the way. No complaints about v3’s though, if I DD the car these would probably be my choice however the linear spring rate setup of TCK ticks the canyon carving box much better without sacrificing the comfort.

MCS aren’t worth it. If you don’t want to get camber plates, Ohlins are awesome just aren’t as comfortable. Bilstein PSS10 get an honorable mention (best bang for the buck).

EricSMG · Sat, Nov-17-2018, 03:17:42 PM

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Originally Posted by twentyseven

Can’t speak to the Clubsports but I have KW v3 on one of my cars, they are better than I expected (v2’s are a big step down) and very comfortable, but I’ve had four different M’s with TCK DA and they get my vote all the way. No complaints about v3’s though, if I DD the car these would probably be my choice however the linear spring rate setup of TCK ticks the canyon carving box much better without sacrificing the comfort.

MCS aren’t worth it. If you don’t want to get camber plates, Ohlins are awesome just aren’t as comfortable. Bilstein PSS10 get an honorable mention (best bang for the buck).

Good (and surprising) input on the V3s. You would say they're less aggressive than the RT? Do you think the V3 will let you run near-ish stock ride height, say .5/.75" front drop?

Sat, Nov-17-2018, 12:13:19 AM	#1
GrendelsbaneM3 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 289 Reputation: 0	What coilover would you recommend for carving canyons KW clubsports or TC Kline DA? Not really interested that much in track days, but I want a coilover that can handle spirited driving in a canyon on road trips without being so harsh that my back will kill me from daily driving the car. Given the customer support statements here and the ability to chose the springs, I am leaning towards the TCK, but before plunking down my hard earned money, I wonder if I am missing something about the KW's. It looks like KW clubs have absolutely no warranty. __________________ 2004 Silver M3 / SMG / Koni Yellow shocks and struts / Vogtlands lowering springs / Eibach front and rear sway bars / Proflex bushings / Predator Orion V2 Multi-Color LED Angel Eyes / Laser Interceptors / Clear Bumper Reflectors / Zionsville Competition Cooling Kit with Offset Fan / AKG Motor mounts / Rogue Engineering Transmission Mount / AKG differential bushings / Euro mirrors / B&B Exhaust / CSL SMG tune /DME CSL tune / ESS 575 Supercharger

Sat, Nov-17-2018, 01:29:03 AM	#2
Kwakjoe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 1,292 In the garage: '03 Bmw ///M3 Reputation: 0 Location: Bay Area	Re: What coilover would you recommend for carving canyons KW clubsports or TC Kline D Between those two, TCK __________________ Instagram:@Kwakjoe Street/Track E46 M3 Build

Sat, Nov-17-2018, 02:50:07 AM	#3
chsbmw Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 123 Reputation: 0 Location: Georgia	Re: What coilover would you recommend for carving canyons KW clubsports or TC Kline D Do it once, do it right. MCS singles. Had GC track/school on my E36 (comparable to TCK) and while the handling was great, the compliance wasn’t there. When I bought the E46, I held off until I could pull the trigger on the MCS’. At 9 clicks rear, 7 front, it rides more “comfy” and it is on rails with no squeaks, rattles or clunks. Not to mention my OCD is in check w the click-type rebound adjustment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Sat, Nov-17-2018, 06:13:29 AM	#6
Nate047 Registered User Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 998 In the garage: '99 BMW M3 Reputation: 0 Location: Los Angeles	Re: What coilover would you recommend for carving canyons KW clubsports or TC Kline D I have KW Clubsports on my E36, they are a bit on the harsh side but everyone's got their own definition of "harsh." Adjustable top mounts are nice. Overall build quality is nice. I don't recall the warranty situation but I know they offer rebuild services, and if you don't like the spring rate you could always put a Swift spring of your choosing on there. __________________ http://www.natehasslerphoto.com

Sat, Nov-17-2018, 06:26:20 AM	#7
usdmej Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,693 Reputation: 0 Location: bay area	Re: What coilover would you recommend for carving canyons KW clubsports or TC Kline D if you're just doing spirited canyon carving tbh just go with KWV2s or KWV3s. canyon roads (and the roads to get to them) aren't perfect so you'd benefit from the better street comfort they'd provide. __________________

Sat, Nov-17-2018, 02:08:24 PM	#8
EricSMG 40 something Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 10,892 Reputation: 0 Location: San Diego	Re: What coilover would you recommend for carving canyons KW clubsports or TC Kline D A bone stock E46 M3 with PSS/PS4 tires in good working order is a killer canyon car. Add a little more front camber and it's darn near perfect. It will go faster than you have the balls to push. You don't need coil-overs for this. You *want* coil-overs, which I totally get. Of those choices I'd go TCK DA, but know that this will force you into camber plates. Edit - your current setup is probably a good step down from stock in terms of true handling, so your reference point may be skewed. A 1"+ front drop on soft spring without any bump-travel restored is simply not going to result in good handling over anything but the smoothest road. __________________ *'04 SG/Black 6MT \|\| '04 JB/IR SMG* Last edited by EricSMG; Sat, Nov-17-2018 at 03:16:25 PM.

Sat, Nov-17-2018, 02:50:20 PM	#9
twentyseven @itsmejonnyv Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 1,462 Reputation: 0	Re: What coilover would you recommend for carving canyons KW clubsports or TC Kline D Can’t speak to the Clubsports but I have KW v3 on one of my cars, they are better than I expected (v2’s are a big step down) and very comfortable, but I’ve had four different M’s with TCK DA and they get my vote all the way. No complaints about v3’s though, if I DD the car these would probably be my choice however the linear spring rate setup of TCK ticks the canyon carving box much better without sacrificing the comfort. MCS aren’t worth it. If you don’t want to get camber plates, Ohlins are awesome just aren’t as comfortable. Bilstein PSS10 get an honorable mention (best bang for the buck). __________________ '99 Estoril Blue + Dove Grey ///M3 coupe Technique Tuning Stage 1 Turbo, TC Kline DA, Rallyroad Brembo BBK, Recaro SRD, ZF 6spd, BMW Traffic Pro 4771, ZKW FX-R '04 Jet Black + Cinnamon ///M3 SMG coupe V-CSL, BBS CH, Öhlins R&T, Supersprint, Brembo GT, custom Z4M seats, AVIN, G5R projector swap '06 Jet Black + Black ///M3 SMG coupe 100% Stock. 48k mi *FOR SALE* '06 Alpine White + Cinnamon ///M3 ZCP 6MT coupe Built motor by ACE performance, VF Stage 3, (610whp@16psi), KW V3 Last edited by twentyseven; Sat, Nov-17-2018 at 02:54:49 PM.

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