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Old Thu, Jul-05-2018, 01:21:32 AM   #221
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We do just fine at the track. It's great passing cars on track tires, thank you very much. But I held a national licence at one point so I make no excuses for a lack of grip. I just drive the car.

What's the point in having high performance tires if you can't track 'em?

You will never reach the limit on the street. Might as well just get a set of all weather tires for the street. I don't see the point in spending this high dollar for tires I can only drive around at 65mph. per say.

Per your all seasons argument, then whatís the point of driving a car like an M2 on the street? Just get a Corolla on PS2s and be done with it



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The very simple truth is; the softer the rubber, the higher the grip and the higher the wear.
Thats why the 919 Nurburgring lap record was set on heat cycled Hankook I-pike ice and snow tire. So soft they were basically melting at the start line.
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Old Thu, Jul-05-2018, 02:31:34 AM   #223
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PS2 at the track. In fact all my track days have been on PS2.
Took the PSS to the mountains and they fell off in a very short time.
Swore I would never use them at the track or the mountains.
PSS have more grip my ass for what, one lap.
At this rate the PS4 should be like epoxy glue. BS.

PS2 at the track with a 200+ passenger.

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I chunked a good set of ps2s on my e46 the very first track weekend. They donít do well with pace on track.
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I chunked a good set of ps2s on my e46 the very first track weekend. They donít do well with pace on track.
Six pounds less per corner. Learn how to drive them and they are fine at pace.
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Old Thu, Jul-05-2018, 03:56:36 PM   #225
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Per your all seasons argument, then whatís the point of driving a car like an M2 on the street? Just get a Corolla on PS2s and be done with it


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No, no, no. Per this thread, tread wear doesn't mean s*** anymore. New rubber, new construction, new technology supersedes everything. I wish we had a jack me off emoji.

So, in a couple of years our all seasons and snow tires will outperform even the PS4s'

New tech. and rubber will be so good that we will be able to track studded snow tires and they will as comfortable as if we were running around with 70 series tires.

New tech. and rubber will be so good, it will literally defy the law of physics

Like I said, can we get a jack me off emoji?
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Old Thu, Jul-05-2018, 04:27:11 PM   #226
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I chuckle with all these advancements in tire technology. Tires still can't defy the law of physics. The very simple truth is; the softer the rubber, the higher the grip and the higher the wear.
Would you say tires from the 1910s have more or less grip than tires from the 1900s?
Would you say tires from the 1920s have more or less grip than tires from the 1910s?
Would you say tires from the 1930s have more or less grip than tires from the 1920s?
Would you say tires from the 1940s have more or less grip than tires from the 1930s?
Would you say tires from the 1950s have more or less grip than tires from the 1940s?
Would you say tires from the 1960s have more or less grip than tires from the 1950s?
Would you say tires from the 1970s have more or less grip than tires from the 1960s?
Would you say tires from the 1980s have more or less grip than tires from the 1970s?
Would you say tires from the 1990s have more or less grip than tires from the 1980s?
Would you say tires from the 2000s have more or less grip than tires from the 1990s?
Would you say tires from the 2010s have more or less grip than tires from the 2000s?
Would you say tires from the present have more or less grip than tires from the 2010s?

Would you say a snow tire today has more or less grip than a race tire from the 1930s?

Trying to figure out if you think there has never been progress in tire tech, or just hasn't been any progress in tire tech since the PS2.
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I don't understand why you would opt. for PSS over P4S... Don't tell me that you're going Hoggs on me.
i don't plan on doing that. i just always used the PSS and searched and then didnt see it. that lead me to come on here and find that the 4s is the replacement for the pSS
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Would you say tires from the 1910s have more or less grip than tires from the 1900s?
Would you say tires from the 1920s have more or less grip than tires from the 1910s?
Would you say tires from the 1930s have more or less grip than tires from the 1920s?
Would you say tires from the 1940s have more or less grip than tires from the 1930s?
Would you say tires from the 1950s have more or less grip than tires from the 1940s?
Would you say tires from the 1960s have more or less grip than tires from the 1950s?
Would you say tires from the 1970s have more or less grip than tires from the 1960s?
Would you say tires from the 1980s have more or less grip than tires from the 1970s?
Would you say tires from the 1990s have more or less grip than tires from the 1980s?
Would you say tires from the 2000s have more or less grip than tires from the 1990s?
Would you say tires from the 2010s have more or less grip than tires from the 2000s?
Would you say tires from the present have more or less grip than tires from the 2010s?

Would you say a snow tire today has more or less grip than a race tire from the 1930s?

Trying to figure out if you think there has never been progress in tire tech, or just hasn't been any progress in tire tech since the PS2.
Of course today is better. But at what point has tire tech. hit the proverbial wall? Rubber itself is pretty much still the same. Old tires crack today just like they did 100 years ago.

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Obviously since the mid 2000s people have just been staring at their crotches all day and stopped bothering to work on improving tires.
It's tougher and tougher as the habitual crotch starers get dumber and dumber.
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I have a set of Michelin PSS sitting in my garage waiting to go on my e36.


These new Michelins should be tits.
I just got a set for my E92. My Pzero's are almost done. Might send them off with a small smokeshow for fun.
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First generation pilot sports had the best wet weather performance ever... PS2s were a step backwards there.

it's all been downhill since they stopped making the TRX.
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