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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
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Old Thu, Nov-30-2017, 05:09:08 PM   #31
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Thanks guys! It is bittersweet for sure, I'm sure I will never have another one like it. I'm only posting it on m3f in hopes that another enthusiast picks it up and continues where I left off.

If it sells now great, I can use the money right now more than the car but if it doesn't sell by January more than likely I will be keeping it indefinitely.
Kinda my thought too. Unless family buys it, I'll be posting my sedan up around Jan/Feb to fund house things...but I won't be too sad if it doesn't sell. I don't want mine to go to a craigslist rando.
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Going to post it anyway because cbloc's car is REALLY nice and looks to be well sorted and very tastefully/minimally modded

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=594100

Would be worth the swap to a 5 speed for me. Not sure where you are located OP, but there is a place here in San Diego that will sell you the entire swap for under $1000 last time I looked a couple years ago.


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What is the name of the place in SD? Definitely interested.
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Old Thu, Nov-30-2017, 07:57:55 PM   #33
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Not mia yet, just wasn't receiving notifications until now...

What is the name of the place in SD? Definitely interested.
If you are serious about converting an Auto to manual you're going to spend more than that doing it right. I'm not trying to discourage you, the process is not hard, but you'll want to do it right to retain or increase value.

I would suggest going the E46 M3 6-speed route and buying a new clutch kit and flywheel to match. The price isn't much more when you factor in the repair work any 97-99 5-speed 320z transmission must have, lower cost of E46 M3 clutch components, and the automatic driveline is already compatible with the 6-speed. Plus the 6-speed with the 3.91 differential (in cblocks car at least) is a PERFECT combo. I'd also include a manual engine harness to get rid of the engine side automatic related connectors. If you want to make it factory grade then you can also do the full body side harness (this requires full interior removal and is not for the faint of heart).
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Old Thu, Nov-30-2017, 08:47:09 PM   #34
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Not mia yet, just wasn't receiving notifications until now...

What is the name of the place in SD? Definitely interested.
Autobahn Dismantling in El Cajon is where I was looking, but once again, this was 3-4 years ago. They specialize in BMW and Porsche. The swap will be more than $1000 all said and done because I would personally swap out all wear items such as bushings, clutch, etc, but honestly relatively inexpensive considering you are looking for a unicorn. cblocks car is just stupid clean.

As far as going 6 speed like Braymond mentioned above, I would weigh the pros and cons of making that swap vs needs/wants/budget. There are some threads on here you can take a look at. Autobahn was assembling a 6 speed swap when I was there last out of an E46, but if you are going to go the 6 speed rout, you may want to hit up Kaiv here in San Diego and find yourself a SMG transmission. Depends on how much you want to DIY, but Kaiv could get you that bellhousing.

Options, options Either way, you would be hard pressed to find a car as clean and unmolested as cblocks car. I looked for awhile when I bought my E36 Sedan. They are just older and highschool kids have gotten ahold of a lot of them sadly.
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Old Fri, Dec-01-2017, 05:51:23 AM   #35
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If you are serious about converting an Auto to manual you're going to spend more than that doing it right. I'm not trying to discourage you, the process is not hard, but you'll want to do it right to retain or increase value.

I would suggest going the E46 M3 6-speed route and buying a new clutch kit and flywheel to match. The price isn't much more when you factor in the repair work any 97-99 5-speed 320z transmission must have, lower cost of E46 M3 clutch components, and the automatic driveline is already compatible with the 6-speed. Plus the 6-speed with the 3.91 differential (in cblocks car at least) is a PERFECT combo. I'd also include a manual engine harness to get rid of the engine side automatic related connectors. If you want to make it factory grade then you can also do the full body side harness (this requires full interior removal and is not for the faint of heart).

6 speed is an interesting option to replicate a ‘Euro stocker’.

Is the wiring harness just about reducing connectors, or eliminates obd codes as well, or Ecu needs changing as well? On the body side, is there more than just gear selector/shifter connections that are different?
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6 speed is an interesting option to replicate a ‘Euro stocker’.

Is the wiring harness just about reducing connectors, or eliminates obd codes as well, or Ecu needs changing as well? On the body side, is there more than just gear selector/shifter connections that are different?
I am going to quote a post a made a few years ago after going through the swap myself. There will be some differences if you are going 6 speed of course, and choose to use a manual engine harness (I retained the auto harness for my swap). This isn't a diy post, but more of a parts list and to give you a general idea of whats involved. If I were to do it again, the only thing I would change is not going with a lightweight flywheel. I would have stuck with stock stuff for flywheel and clutch. Luckily I am already @60k miles after my swap so I'll be doing a clutch job soon enough haha. I don't know what your purposes are for owning an M3 (driver, collector, etc.). But I bought mine as an auto solely based on condition with the intent to swap it and daily drive the car. So negating any value by not keeping it original and piling on the miles was not my concern. Having said that, I highly suggest the swap if getting an automatic is means to getting the type of car you want.


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Got the 5-speed swap done about 4 months ago, back in September 2014. Although at the time it was my intention to slowly piece together everything I needed for the swap (and most likely do the work myself), my automatic transmission started failing so I had the excuse to go for the swap (and order everything needed within a week). Apart from the Transmission, Driveshaft, and Pedal box w/ brake switch and clutch switch, everything is new.

When creating my parts list I had to use several resources online, and I had to cross reference with late model e36 M3 Realoem diagrams to insure I wasn't missing anything and that all parts were specific to my actual car. I have been meaning to post my list and diagrams up, along with my experience and cost to help those who are looking to do this swap.

Cost
Parts: $2019.24
Labor (Bimmer Clinic - Woodbridge, NJ): $1624.11
Shipping to and from Dinan to put back my stage 4 tuning (overnight): $130.00
Total: $3,773.36

Bimmer Clinic: Unfortunately due to the timing of my auto crapping out, I really didn't have the luxury to tackle this myself. My M3 is my daily, and I needed to insure that I would have the car back on the road within a week. Could have used the extra $1600 for something else, but oh well. Bimmer Clinic was great. They got the job done in the time frame we agreed upon. They kept me in the loop (more so than expected actually). Their labor also included re-flashing the DME to manual (they did have to send my DME to Dinan to get the Stage 4 Software back on afterwards). Overall they took care of my car, and 4 months and 4000 miles later I have had no issues.

With that said, I read on the forums a few people claiming that a 5-speed swapped car will have issues and will never be like it came from the factory. The only issue with my car is that I do not have cruise control anymore, and that is only b/c I didn't want to spend the extra $250 to get it done (I really never use it). Everything other than that is 100% just as it should be (ASC works, ABS works, it runs smoothly, no shakes, no vibrations, no weird noises other than ltw flywheel, etc). And although the bargain I got on a 1 owner, garaged kept, dealer maintained, auto M3 is now negated by the cost of the swap. The car now has a ton of brand new drivetrain parts.

Onto the list...

Drivetrain:
5 speed Transmission (used - 95 M3 (120K))
Manual driveshaft (used - 95 M3 (120K))
Pedal Box w/ brake switch, clutch switch (used - 95 M3 (120K))
Trans brace/ mounts (new)
#2 - Guibo 26112226527 (new)
#6 - Driveshaft Center Carrier w/ Bearing 26122227278 (new)



Clutch:
Clutch, Pressure Plate/ Flywheel (FX Stage 2 Clutch + LTW Flywheel 15lbs. - new eBay)
#3 - Pressure Plate Bolts (6) 07119906045 (new)
#4 - Clutch Release Bearing 21512226729 (new)
#5 - Clutch Rel. Fork Lever 21511223302 (new)
#6 - Clutch Pivot Pin 21511223328 (new)
#7 - Spring Clip 21517570284 (new)



Clutch Control:
#1 - Input clutch cylinder 21526758820 (used but newer), came attached to used pedal box (#2 - 9 present)
#14 - Output clutch cylinder 21526775924 (new)
#18 - Output clutch cylinder Nuts 07129922716 (new)
#11 - Clutch "Plug in Pipe" w/ dust cover (#10) 21521164394 (new) - This is specific to the late model "Output clutch cylinder #14."
#20 - Bracket 21521162306 (new)
#13 - Clip 34341163565 (new)
#22 - Clutch "Screw Pipe" 21522282355 (new) - plugs into #14 (do not use #21)
Stainless Steel Clutch Line (new - UUC) - Connects #22 to #11



Engine Side (while you are in there):
#9 - Rear Crankshaft Seal 11142249533 (new)
#10 - Rear Crankshaft Steel Gasket 11141432240 (new)
Pilot Bearing 11211720310 (new) - Not in diagram



Shifting (all new):
Bear SSK - http://motionmotorsport.net/products...products_id=47
AKG Selector Rod - http://motionmotorsport.net/products...products_id=49
Shift Refresh Kit (OEM Parts) - http://motionmotorsport.net/products...products_id=48
The 3 above cover everything in the diagram below.
Shifter Insulation 25111222169 (new)
Illuminated Shift Knob and Boot (OEM)



Trans Fluids:
Redline 75W140NS Gear Oil (1 qt.)
Redline D4 Synthetic ATF (1 qt.)
This fluid mix is suggested by UUC to reduce or eliminate rattle caused by a ltw flywheel. Mixed results about this online (some gears grinding when cold, etc.) I am actually experiencing 3rd gear grinding when downshifting from 4th (only until fluid warms up). And once warmed up the flywheel chatter is there. I will replace current mix with just Redline D4 Synthetic ATF, and report back.
Miscl (all new):
Exhaust Manifold to Cat Gaskets (new)
Exhaust Flange copper nuts (new)
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Here’s a 6-Speed conversion parts quote I made for an upcoming job. This is for a 97 that has a 6-bolt manual driveshaft so it requires a Euro driveshaft front half. Prices on transmissions vary and component selection can be changed.

Note: You’re increasing value beyond that of a 5-speed and increasing efficiency with fuel on the HWY. even the stock 3.38 (and the manual 3.23) from an auto car can be unbearable at speed.

Harness change is to delete the pigtails and tell-tale signs of a swap.
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^ The spoken rule of thumb on 5speed vs 6speed swap is that the price difference in parts is about a grand. Good to see it all quantified in one place.
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^ The spoken rule of thumb on 5speed vs 6speed swap is that the price difference in parts is about a grand. Good to see it all quantified in one place.
You can get it as low as $2k. Mine was well below that until I decided to buy a new Euro driveshaft. Giubo and CSB don’t count IMO either as they are typically required regardless.
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I wouldn't call the 5 speed with 3.38 unbearable, but it would be nice to have 6th gear on the highway.
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