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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
Total Produced: 71,212 - Years Produced: 1992 to 1999


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Old Mon, Nov-27-2017, 04:07:16 AM   #21
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Only if you change the overall diameter of the wheel and tire combination, which shortens tye gearing and affects the speedometer. Most people change the tire width and/or aspect ratio to maintain the same overall diameter. Most of the Mille wheels are heavy, so maybe by running a low profile tire you lower the car, but a light wheel would be even better if performance is the goal. If you want low, change to 325/328 front knuckles and run 325/328 front brakes and you can run 15 inch wheels. Use low profile tires and you could lower the car even more. Personally, I like these cars with 17 inch wheels — they offer a decent ride and good handling.
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I've run both the Euro floaters and the US brakes, hard, on track, with proper fluid and pads.

I noticed zero difference in performance or fade resistance, except one set costs $450/axle and the other $80. I also never had issues with fade once I ran proper fluid and pads.

(ignoring the elephant in the room that is some tracks need ducting regardless of brake system, and some don't)

On the 16" wheels-- tire selection is both terrible and in too-narrow widths. Either go 15s, because miata selection, or 17+, because everything else. 16s are in a weird vacuum for tires.

The best brake upgrade I made was going to fixed calipers. The performance is the same as stock, but the feel and modulation is vastly improved, as is the rate of consumable consumption....at a much higher cost of those consumables. I miss how cheap trackdays were with the US M3 pad/rotors and I wouldn't be too eager to 'upgrade' yet.
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Good advice bimmerman. By fixed calipers you mean like brembo etc?
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Good advice bimmerman. By fixed calipers you mean like brembo etc?
Yup. Stoptech in my case, but Brembo, Essex/AP, and PFC all make good stuff for the platform too. I went with Stoptech since pads and rotor rings are the same front and rear; cuts down on consumables and extends their life nicely.
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What do you recommend for street pads? I have the street performance on a StopTech ST40 332mm front and rear kit but the pedal feel is not as firm as I hoped and they don’t feel dramatically better on the street than my M3 brakes with hawk 5.0 pads and braided lines and bronze guide bushings and titanium shins. Someone I know runs HP Plus pads and says they feel incredible on the street.
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Stoptech street pads are garbage compared to OE BMW or OE Brembo.

Street compounds are a huge weekness for the ST40 calipers, IMO.
(I suffer them on my M5)
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What do you recommend for street pads? I have the street performance on a StopTech ST40 332mm front and rear kit but the pedal feel is not as firm as I hoped and they donít feel dramatically better on the street than my M3 brakes with hawk 5.0 pads and braided lines and bronze guide bushings and titanium shins. Someone I know runs HP Plus pads and says they feel incredible on the street.
I liked the Stoptech street pads up until I glazed them autocrossing, and now they suck, so I see where you're coming from.

To be honest, I run DTC 60s all the time on that car. Even cold, the DTC60s work better than glazed Stoptech Street pads, but they're not great cold. I need to take a sander to the pads to see if I can bring them back to life. I haven't yet delved into a street pad, but once the DTCs are dead I'm debating the PFC-Z and PFC08 combination for drudgery/fun.

Pre-stoptech used to run HP+ on the street and HT10 on the track, with stock calipers with stock bushings/etc. I liked that combo a lot, but they were EXTREMELY squeaky and dusty. Neither bother me, but YMMV, and I'm not overstating the noise and dust. Do not buy HP+ if dirty wheels give you a panic attack or if brake squeal all the time is bothersome.
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Agree the HP+ are very dusty. However they have excellent feel on the street and hold up OK on the track and are rotor friendly. Far more rotor friendly than the stock BMW pads on my E46 M3 with the ZCP brakes.
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Interesting about being rotor friendly. I had read they ate rotors, in addition to being dusty and noisy. Since I got the street performance free with the StopTech kits, I’ll run them for a few months to give them more of a chance and then maybe change to HP Plus. I ran the predecessor StopTech Street on my stock 99M3 braked and was unimpressed. I have run them for a few years on my 08M3 and actually like them on that car.
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