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Old Sat, Sep-22-2018, 01:55:26 PM   #31
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Looks like theyre in CO too. Thanks for the info, going to check em out.


Mike (naturally agitated) is THE guy for vanos rebuilds. As in race shops worldwide send him cores for rebuilds and hes done a few for bmw dealerships. Pricing is very reasonable as well.
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You can use brake cleaner and magnets, and maybe get another 1k miles or so out of them, but if you're looking for long term/permanent results you're going to want a brand new solenoid pack. The solenoid valves are very small and are easily clogged with oil contaminants (over time), until they eventually start pissing off the DME, and you get vanos fault codes.



Also, don't confuse the electronic control module (the black plastic portion) with the actual solenoid valves. The solenoid valves are pressed into the aluminum valve body and cannot be removed or refurbished. The electronic control module is not the root of the vanos issues, so replacing that part will not typically do much good.


Brake cleaner will get the valves moving again if their stuck but a good ultrasonic bath is the way to go. I think a new unit is a waste of money on a part that just needs cleaning. Im personally of the opinion that cleaning the valve body should be a yearly or every other year maintenance item. The s54 really sings when the cams move the way their supposed to
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Old Sun, Sep-23-2018, 03:33:58 PM   #33
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Default Re: Looking for beisan vanos rebuilt

Y'all got some funny math.

If you hate your money and prefer a partial rebuild, go with Dr V in Texas. If you want another option, and would like to save $750 for a better product...PM me.
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Y'all got some funny math.

If you hate your money and prefer a partial rebuild, go with Dr V in Texas. If you want another option, and would like to save $750 for a better product...PM me.
This is your guy. naturallyagitated.com Higher standards than factory. Less money. Real person. All signs point to yes!!!
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This is your guy. naturallyagitated.com Higher standards than factory. Less money. Real person. All signs point to yes!!!
Hes essentially rebuilding exactly like dr vanos it looks like...also sees he offers beisan parts as well.....
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Hes essentially rebuilding exactly like dr vanos it looks like...also sees he offers beisan parts as well.....
I would reach out to him and ask how what he does differs from Dr Vanos, I'm not sure on the specifics.
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I would reach out to him and ask how what he does differs from Dr Vanos, I'm not sure on the specifics.
Stage 1 - reuses both oil regulating valves.
Stage 2 replaces both oil regulating valves with new BMW parts- key to maintain 110 bar of oil pressure.
Stage 3 - replaces both oil valves, and the valvebody/solenoid with new BMW units.

Stage 3 is similar to the Dr. VANOS unit except we replace the internal oil regulating valve (pn 11367830341) as well as the external regulator. Costs less as well. I've installed a few of his units for local users.

FWIW, I run a stage 2 unit in my all out stroker. 110bar oil pressure in the vanos, even with oil temps above 230 degrees. $1000 out the door, for the whole shebang.
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Just to clarify. We (DrVanos) only use brand new factory solenoid packs on all of our S54 rebuilds, which are $950 from BMW. This is a complete solenoid pack; valve body, controller unit and pressure valve. Add in the rest of the parts, seals, gaskets, drilled oil pump disc, 2 yr warranty, unlimited tech support, 10 years of vanos rebuilding experience (and we will be around another 10 years) and it's a very reasonable cost. Our clients (mostly high end BMW repair facilities, race teams, wholesale suppliers, and very picky owners all over the world) demand a product that will last 100k miles which you just can't guarantee with a used solenoid pack.

There is so much misinformation on the forums about what we 'supposedly' do and how much it really costs. We've sold close to 10,000 vanos units but we've also helped countless DIY'ers over the phone without selling them a single part because customer support is our #1 priority.

We totally support DIY and we're all DIY'ers at heart so please don't get me wrong, we are HUGE BMW enthusiasts just trying to clear up some confusion about our kits.
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Just to clarify. We (DrVanos) only use brand new factory solenoid packs on all of our S54 rebuilds, which are $950 from BMW. This is a complete solenoid pack; valve body, controller unit and pressure valve. Add in the rest of the parts, seals, gaskets, drilled oil pump disc, 2 yr warranty, unlimited tech support, 10 years of vanos rebuilding experience (and we will be around another 10 years) and it's a very reasonable cost. Our clients (mostly high end BMW repair facilities, race teams, wholesale suppliers, and very picky owners all over the world) demand a product that will last 100k miles which you just can't guarantee with a used solenoid pack.

There is so much misinformation on the forums about what we 'supposedly' do and how much it really costs. We've sold close to 10,000 vanos units but we've also helped countless DIY'ers over the phone without selling them a single part because customer support is our #1 priority.

We totally support DIY and we're all DIY'ers at heart so please don't get me wrong, we are HUGE BMW enthusiasts just trying to clear up some confusion about our kits.

Glad to hear you guys are replacing the seals now.

The first few Dr. Vanos units I installed were simply cleaned housings with a new valvebody/solenoid combo attached. Pretty clear to see the same old seals inside. 85-90 bar at idle. Confirmed with Raj at Besian as we investigated the lazy vanos units. He stated that he told Chris to start replacing seals for a rebuild unit. Kinda scary at $1800 a pop, right?

When will you guys start replacing the front oil restrictor? It has a HUGE effect on oil pressure as temps rise. For an $1800 unit, its an easy upgrade and key to performance.

FWIW, NA performance started because local cars had $1800 competitor Dr. Perfect units with failed vanos tests. No refund from the shops that removed and reinstalled. Just another new unit shipped out to a customer on his own to figure out the install.

Thanks again for the business
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Old Fri, Sep-28-2018, 12:50:06 PM   #40
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Kinda scary at $1800 a pop, right?
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Our fully rebuilt S54's are $1395. We do have a refundable $400 core deposit on top of that but you will get 100% of that back once you return your core to us. We also provide a prepaid return shipping label to make it easy.

You can find more info here...
https://drvanos.com/collections/s54-...ucts/s54-vanos

Yes, there was a time way back in the beginning when we didn't use Beisan's seals in our S54's. Mainly because they had not been invented yet. Once Raj had a final version available we began using them. You also have to remember this was nearly 10 years ago, most of these cars still had well under 80K miles on them so the seals were not really an issue. The stock S54 seals are actually decent quality and will last several years before taking a set so it was not a major issue at that time. New seals are good, but the ROOT cause of vanos fault codes is due to the solenoid vavles sticking, not the seals leaking. I've seen plenty of vanos units with well over 100k miles pass the leak test. So to clarify, we've been using Raj's seals for the several years now. Oh and I bet most people don't realize that Raj uses our old solenoids for his modified coil packs.

And regarding the modified coil packs, we looked into this several years ago and decided that it was a very small percentage of the vanos issues. As mentioned before it's the solenoid valves that causes all the fault codes. The valves do all the work under extremely high oil pressure, and once they start to stick (from contaminants in the oil) they gradually get worse and worse. The DME is VERY picky about how well the solenoids perform and will start throwing codes once the reactions times fall below a certain limit. Yes, you can spray brake cleaner into the little holes using magnets or some nonsense (like most 'vanos repair shops' do) but that is honestly only going to buy you some time. If you want reliability, longevity and maximum vanos performance then new solenoids are the only serious option.

We offer unmatched technical support on all of our kits. The S54 requires precise cam timing when setting it up or it will throw fault codes. When a customer calls about an issue we walk them through the problem step by step to make sure the timing was done correctly using the cam alignment tools. The DME is very picky about cam timing, so if a cam is off +/- a couple degrees then you will have issues. It can take even the experienced S54 installers a couple of tries to get them perfect sometimes. Diagnostics tests with the GT-1 or Auto Logic is a huge help if you have access. Only use genuine BMW cam alignment tools! We've seen a lot of eBay knock offs that were not made correctly, cuasing many hours of frustration. If cam timing is perfect then it's likely a pressure issue, and replacing the control valve is recommended. If all else fails we will gladly send out another unit, but every single S54 unit that we have ever warrantied was checked, cleaned, tested and sent back out to be installed by someone else with zero issues. Installation is 99.9% of the equation folks.

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