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Old Fri, Jul-21-2017, 04:19:19 PM   #51
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So I actually have to disagree with the majority here. I loved my E46, it was an awesome car. I would agree, the rawness and the steering in that car was amazing and is not duplicated in the M4, which I now have. However, the M4, to me, is better in every way EXCEPT steering feel and rawness. It is faster, more comfortable, better electronics, better tranny and did I mention WAY FASTER. This thing is a beast. I spent a fraction on mods with my F83 that I did on my E46 and I have a roughly 550hp beast of a car that will almost smoke anything within $50k, only thing it won't is a Z06, but come on, if we were vette guys we wouldn't own BMWs. I got to say that my M4 is the best car I have ever owned and with slight modification becomes a beast in every way.
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Did you verify your 500+whp on the dyno?
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Old Sat, Jul-22-2017, 03:13:10 PM   #53
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So I actually have to disagree with the majority here. I loved my E46, it was an awesome car. I would agree, the rawness and the steering in that car was amazing and is not duplicated in the M4, which I now have. However, the M4, to me, is better in every way EXCEPT steering feel and rawness. It is faster, more comfortable, better electronics, better tranny and did I mention WAY FASTER. This thing is a beast. I spent a fraction on mods with my F83 that I did on my E46 and I have a roughly 550hp beast of a car that will almost smoke anything within $50k, only thing it won't is a Z06, but come on, if we were vette guys we wouldn't own BMWs. I got to say that my M4 is the best car I have ever owned and with slight modification becomes a beast in every way.
It seems as if you prefer comfort, tech, and speed over steering and rawness which is totally fine, many feel that way. However, many other people prefer rawness and steering. Regardless, it sounds like the M4 was the better car for you and congrats on the purchase.

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It seems as if you prefer comfort, tech, and speed over steering and rawness which is totally fine, many feel that way. However, many other people prefer rawness and steering. Regardless, it sounds like the M4 was the better car for you and congrats on the purchase.

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Which is why I kept the E46 as well honestly. Sometimes I prefer the creature comforts and the bottomless pit of torque. Other times, I prefer the basics, high revs, and the telepathic steering.
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Old Tue, Jul-25-2017, 02:27:00 AM   #55
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New m4 is 55-70k?

Used m3 in good condition 13-17k, supercharger is for 4,5k used, and tune with headers (all in about 7k) and you can be at around a smooth 430-470WHP, go with a maximum PSI turbo (10,000) and potentially hit 600WHP and therefor smoking a new m4 easily.

Plus the e46 m3 body style is iconic.
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^^^ all that, and don't forget the extra brakes, tires, suspension, misc parts, labor, tuning, and sacrifice + discomfort you will acquire to achieve 600whp in a 10-15 year old car just to claim you can beat a m4... because that's a great daily driver.

I think you're missing the point. Some people aren't willing to go through all that, and still drive to work, or drive their wives, girlfriends, or kids around in a heavily modified (and potentially obnoxious sounding and uncomfortable) car if that's their only vehicle.

Hence why F8X M3/M4s were designed with that type of hybrid convenience in mind. Even if people could afford to buy a used m3 and dump 10-20 grand in it to reach 600whp just to say they have it on a raw platform like the E46 and they can beat M4s, there are still some people that rather shell out M4 money for that kind of painless comfort, convenience, effortless power, warranty and piece of mind.
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So I actually have to disagree with the majority here. I loved my E46, it was an awesome car. I would agree, the rawness and the steering in that car was amazing and is not duplicated in the M4, which I now have. However, the M4, to me, is better in every way EXCEPT steering feel and rawness. It is faster, more comfortable, better electronics, better tranny and did I mention WAY FASTER. This thing is a beast. I spent a fraction on mods with my F83 that I did on my E46 and I have a roughly 550hp beast of a car that will almost smoke anything within $50k, only thing it won't is a Z06, but come on, if we were vette guys we wouldn't own BMWs. I got to say that my M4 is the best car I have ever owned and with slight modification becomes a beast in every way.
Don't own one, but from the ones I've driven - I agree 100%. Very likely will be my next M-car if they don't end up having some ridiculous catastrophic flaw.
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So I actually have to disagree with the majority here. I loved my E46, it was an awesome car. I would agree, the rawness and the steering in that car was amazing and is not duplicated in the M4, which I now have. However, the M4, to me, is better in every way EXCEPT steering feel and rawness. It is faster, more comfortable, better electronics, better tranny and did I mention WAY FASTER. This thing is a beast. I spent a fraction on mods with my F83 that I did on my E46 and I have a roughly 550hp beast of a car that will almost smoke anything within $50k, only thing it won't is a Z06, but come on, if we were vette guys we wouldn't own BMWs. I got to say that my M4 is the best car I have ever owned and with slight modification becomes a beast in every way.

I agree with almost all of what you're saying. Except the "rawness" everyone gets caught up on. I'll admit that I was in that camp at first as well, but let me tell you my F80 ZCP is an absolute animal. The steering is near identical to the E46 in sport mode. The exhaust note is glorious. The handling and power is amazing.

My only complaint is the clutch is somewhat soft for a car of this caliber. But it shifts beautifully.

I beat the old E46 drum for a long long time. Amazing cars, and I loved every minute in mine. But this is an apples to oranges to comparison. The F80 is superior in every way.
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I think you would need to go to a GT350 for a modern car that has some of the similar intangibles that the E46 M3 does.
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So I actually have to disagree with the majority here. I loved my E46, it was an awesome car. I would agree, the rawness and the steering in that car was amazing and is not duplicated in the M4, which I now have. However, the M4, to me, is better in every way EXCEPT steering feel and rawness. It is faster, more comfortable, better electronics, better tranny and did I mention WAY FASTER. This thing is a beast. I spent a fraction on mods with my F83 that I did on my E46 and I have a roughly 550hp beast of a car that will almost smoke anything within $50k, only thing it won't is a Z06, but come on, if we were vette guys we wouldn't own BMWs. I got to say that my M4 is the best car I have ever owned and with slight modification becomes a beast in every way.
Have to agree here, sold my 500whp F80 at the beginning of the year and got into an a slicktop zcp e46
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