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E36 M3 (1992-1999) {Euro - S50 B32 321hp @ 7400 rpm} {U.S. - S52 B32 240 hp @ 6000 rpm}
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Old Mon, Jan-08-2018, 01:23:06 PM   #31
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These vid always make me wonder how an old school N/A motor can ever match a modern FI engine. (for better or worse)

Maybe size and nimbleness, etc. But 2new car X replacement for any 20+ year old car Y?
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These vid always make me wonder how an old school N/A motor can ever match a modern FI engine. (for better or worse)

Maybe size and nimbleness, etc. But 2new car X replacement for any 20+ year old car Y?
M2 is superior to the e36m in every objective measure and most subjective measures too - probably superior to every early '90s car objectively.

A few things the e36m has going for it:

- less complexity and interference, driver is 100% responsible.
- easier to drive, including better visibility and cleaner lines (corners)
- NA power delivery is 100% predictable as is chasis behavior.

I can't think of an early '90s car that has aged better than the e36m - maybe 911 I suppose.

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If it isn't putting you under any stress, continue the great work and keep it!

Twentyseven sent me this earlier about the M2. I found it to be 100% spot on having owned both.
Thx. No stress. Just guilt for taking both spaces of our two car garage. I like the vid, having watched dozens I think he's pretty dead on. His comment about the e46 manual is a big reason I ordered a 335 in 2006 rather than scooping up a remaining M. Maybe a mistake. At the time the niggling issues with the e36m were getting to me...

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that is one good looking car you've got there, sir. hang on to that one for a good long time. =)
Thx. High praise given the state of your M.

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A busy mind is a sane mind. These are fun cars to play around with, relatively simple, and affordable. It’s not just driving these cars that is fun.
It's funny, you're totally right. If I ditch the yellow car I'll have little to do but drive. Right now I get to contemplate and plan a handful of stuff for the E36.

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all I can add is that I did a short AutoX in the M2 this past summer and wow. I was super impressed. Small, powerful, but really really easy to drive. Also, with the new turbo tech out there (twin scroll, mostly), the power delivery of newer turbocharged motors is much better (imo) than these 90s NA motors.

While I love the feel of my M3 and all, I would trade it in for a second on that new M2 (if I could afford it, of course)
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all I can add is that I did a short AutoX in the M2 this past summer and wow. I was super impressed. Small, powerful, but really really easy to drive. Also, with the new turbo tech out there (twin scroll, mostly), the power delivery of newer turbocharged motors is much better (imo) than these 90s NA motors.

While I love the feel of my M3 and all, I would trade it in for a second on that new M2 (if I could afford it, of course)
Well, I've got both right now, so pulled that trigger! Haha. The turbo is great and mostly seamless and predictable. But it's not AS seamless as the e36m NA. Maybe I'm just a victim of familiarity with the e36m.

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M2 is superior to the e36m in every objective measure and most subjective measures too - probably superior to every early '90s car objectively.

A few things the e36m has going for it:

- less complexity and interference, driver is 100% responsible.
- easier to drive, including better visibility and cleaner lines (corners)
- NA power delivery is 100% predictable as is chasis behavior.

I can't think of an early '90s car that has aged better than the e36m - maybe 911 I suppose.

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The vid is about M2 being like the new E46 M3. I wasn’t even thinking about the E36 M3.

Although I don’t agree about it being better in every imaginabl way. Too modern, too easy to drive, no connection and a run-of-the-mill BMW engine ‘tuned’ to M2 specs.

And its interior is the worst. Bland, boring, unimaginative and plastic fantastic.

Maybe as a 4th or 5th fun car to do Nürburgring laps.
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The vid is about M2 being like the new E46 M3. I wasn’t even thinking about the E36 M3.

Although I don’t agree about it being better in every imaginabl way. Too modern, too easy to drive, no connection and a run-of-the-mill BMW engine ‘tuned’ to M2 specs.

And its interior is the worst. Bland, boring, unimaginative and plastic fantastic.

Maybe as a 4th or 5th fun car to do Nürburgring laps.
Re-read my post. Didn't say every imaginable way, but every objective measure, vs early 1990's cars. That's a big difference. The stuff you're listing is subjective.

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If you sell the E36, you'll regret it. Might be next month, might be in a year, or in 2 years, but it's inevitable even if just considering nostalgia. Not to mention the fact that they drive nicely...

FWIW I have driven the M2 a little bit on the streets and on the full course Big Willow. I love that car and I would get one if my parking circumstances were different. Wouldn't sell the E36 to accommodate an M2 though, and my car is significantly more janky than yours.
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