[mastek]

Originally Posted by WRX2BIMA

why do people have issues with diesel.. better mpg's and crazy HP out of diesel engines...

ignorance and good old marketing has made the US consumer think of diesel as dirty, loud and non-performance.
Meanwhile, back in Europe, (where they build the fastest road and race cars in the world) they've been wiining races with diesels for over a decade.

[rex87]

Originally Posted by mastek

ignorance and good old marketing has made the US consumer think of diesel as dirty, loud and non-performance.
Meanwhile, back in Europe, (where they build the fastest road and race cars in the world) they've been wiining races with diesels for over a decade.

^^^TRUE^^^

[Uber]

I heard they are just going to bring back the e46 m3 haha

[MasterTJ]

Originally Posted by Uber

I heard they are just going to bring back the e46 m3 haha

Hahahaha!!! Nope they won't, because then it'd make ours not cool anymore.

[Law]

i hope OP's "inside sources" are a load of ^&*%

[M3_Tiag]

OP trolled the **** outta everyone

[mastek]

There are 2 BMWs not sold in the US that I would buy in a heartbeat if they came here.

- 2012 BMW 320d ED (F30)
- 4cyl 4 valve 2 liter turbo DIESEL
- 163 hp
- 280 lb.ft
- 0-60 = 8.0 sec
- 55 mpg city/80 mpg hwy

They also sell an amazing X5
- 2012 BMW X5 M50d (e70)
- 6 cyl 24valve 3.0l turbo DIESEL
- 381 hp
- 530 lb-ft
- 0-60 = 5.4 sec
- 32 mpg city/41 mpg hwy


The new M3 Diesel would look like this:
- 3.5 tri-turbo 6cyl
- 450hp
- 500tq
- 0-60 = 3.9
- 35 MPG
And the US diesel fear ends here....

[mentroc]

i wouldn't mind a diesel m3. i driven the 335d it isn't no slouch, has tons of torque.

[rpoc]

Originally Posted by mastek

ignorance and good old marketing has made the US consumer think of diesel as dirty, loud and non-performance.
Meanwhile, back in Europe, (where they build the fastest road and race cars in the world) they've been wiining races with diesels for over a decade.

Audi did a great job, no question about that, but lets get real, the FIA/ACO wrote the rules for a diesel to win, period. The French got excited and jumped the diesel rules to try and get Peugeot into a LeMans win. When Porsche closed the gap, beating the LMP1 Audi with the LMP2 Spyder in the ALMS, and with Roger Penske chomping at the bit to take a full Porshe/Penske assault to LeMans, the French, and FIA/ACO changed the rules on the LMP2 cars restricting their fuel again. In 2011 the FIA/ACO wrote Porsche and Acura/Honda out of the LMP2 class. The Audi and Peugeot enjoy literally twice the engine size, twice the boost, it’s called “rule making engineering” at its best (hey, that’s NASCAR!). On a level playing field, a gasoline engine, of the same displacement, and or boost, will destroy a diesel on a racetrack, period.

[mastek]

Originally Posted by rpoc

Audi did a great job, no question about that, but lets get real, the FIA/ACO wrote the rules for a diesel to win, period. The French got excited and jumped the diesel rules to try and get Peugeot into a LeMans win. When Porsche closed the gap, beating the LMP1 Audi with the LMP2 Spyder in the ALMS, and with Roger Penske chomping at the bit to take a full Porshe/Penske assault to LeMans, the French, and FIA/ACO changed the rules on the LMP2 cars restricting their fuel again. In 2011 the FIA/ACO wrote Porsche and Acura/Honda out of the LMP2 class. The Audi and Peugeot enjoy literally twice the engine size, twice the boost, it’s called “rule making engineering” at its best (hey, that’s NASCAR!). On a level playing field, a gasoline engine, of the same displacement, and or boost, will destroy a diesel on a racetrack, period.

The same applies to the development time that a diesel race engine has had against the gas-powered race engine.
What is it ... something like 10 yrs to 80???

The reason those rules were "adjusted" was to PROMOTE manufacturers to abandon the inefficient gas-powered engines and begin focus on a much more efficient technology = DIESEL.... and just like this thread --- this was met with much opposition, ignorance and general dis-information.