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M_Parallel Tue, Apr-16-2019 12:21:58 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Wonder if Braymond's E46 seats are Simple Green'd only, or also a magic eraser was used.

Braymond you do suggest using one as an option, but not whether or not it was used in that particular example.

Talking about 'mums tricks' (we would say "Granny knows"), I've had some amzing results with good old Green Soap, the waxy version. I have a feeling this is very similar to Simple Green.

http://www.idon-industries.com/bimme...us_2017/02.jpg

http://www.idon-industries.com/bimme...us_2017/03.jpg

http://www.idon-industries.com/bimme...us_2017/04.jpg

bimmerfan08 Tue, Apr-16-2019 05:02:01 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Braymond141 (Post 1067944996)
Simple Green. You may have to go full strength, just make sure you even apply any APC as missed spots can leave cleaned spots (you just have to clean again to get rid of them). You can gently use a soaked normal magic eraser too. Used correctly the eraser will not damage.

Note; this type of cleaning is for neglected seats, not really for regular upkeep. Get them clean and then maintain with a gentle leather care cleaner.

I remember years ago you suggested Gliptone leather conditioner after cleaning with Simple Green. Are you still using this product or something different on nappa leather?

Contracheatcode Tue, Apr-16-2019 07:17:26 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Any easy way to get some of the faded color back in the M stripes on the seats?

A month back I was too abrasive with the magic eraser and removed some of the dye (just a bit resulting in a slight fade).


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Earthwormjlm Tue, Apr-16-2019 07:36:33 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
A leather paint kit is the only way to bring it back. The stripes are not dyed.

Texaz3 Tue, Apr-16-2019 09:32:41 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Contracheatcode (Post 1067946578)
Any easy way to get some of the faded color back in the M stripes on the seats?

A month back I was too abrasive with the magic eraser and removed some of the dye (just a bit resulting in a slight fade).


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There are kits that sell leather paint with all 3 M-colors. Don't remember the vendor of the top of my head, but can look it up later.

SFD87 Tue, Apr-16-2019 11:53:27 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by M_Parallel (Post 1067946430)
Wonder if Braymond's E46 seats are Simple Green'd only, or also a magic eraser was used.

Braymond you do suggest using one as an option, but not whether or not it was used in that particular example.

Talking about 'mums tricks' (we would say "Granny knows"), I've had some amzing results with good old Green Soap, the waxy version. I have a feeling this is very similar to Simple Green.


Windex and a tooth brush will get the tri stitching looking new as well. I follow up with griots leather cleaner/conditioner afterwards.

Magic erase is far too abrasive to use on our seats so I wouldn't recommend that.

Braymond141 Wed, Apr-17-2019 07:10:52 AM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
All my seats get the eraser. Using it carefully causes no issue.

Steve M3 Wed, Apr-17-2019 02:36:16 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Great info in this thread. Planning to try some of these recommendations on my spare steering wheel and then my interior if that goes well :thumbsup2:

Mollzyie Wed, Apr-17-2019 03:56:26 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
I’d be curious to see what a professional auto detailed would use . I don’t mean a person who works at the local car wash . I mean a real professional mobile auto/boat/private plane deatailer .

Texaz3 Wed, Apr-17-2019 05:33:10 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mollzyie (Post 1067946903)
I’d be curious to see what a professional auto detailed would use . I don’t mean a person who works at the local car wash . I mean a real professional mobile auto/boat/private plane deatailer .

Detailers use same cleaners, but you have to keep in mind that detailers are not restorers. They clean, not fix.

Mollzyie Wed, Apr-17-2019 05:38:59 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texaz3 (Post 1067946946)
Detailers use same cleaners, but you have to keep in mind that detailers are not restorers. They clean, not fix.


I hear u man ... that is 100% true 👍🏼

CatchMyM3 Wed, Apr-17-2019 07:11:02 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Interesting topic. My E46 seats have always bothered me after purchasing a year ago (126k miles). Dove leather is, of course, a nightmare. If you ask a detailing-centric audience, magic eraser is the devil. If you ask a car forum, it's a useful tool when used with care.

My Dove leather has been cleaned with Gliptone and even diluted APC. The shine never improves. :thumbsdown: At this point, I'm almost willing to risk a slight amount of leather damage. I'll have to try a test spot.

Excuse the poor lightning. The leather is decent but this photo makes it look terrible.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...822a62b7_c.jpg

Braymond141 Wed, Apr-17-2019 07:25:53 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve M3 (Post 1067946874)
Great info in this thread. Planning to try some of these recommendations on my spare steering wheel and then my interior if that goes well :thumbsup2:

Steering wheels are already quite thin in their coatings if used and worn. I would not use the eraser there.

Braymond141 Wed, Apr-17-2019 07:27:43 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CatchMyM3 (Post 1067947008)
Interesting topic. My E46 seats have always bothered me after purchasing a year ago (126k miles). Dove leather is, of course, a nightmare. If you ask a detailing-centric audience, magic eraser is the devil. If you ask a car forum, it's a useful tool when used with care.

My Dove leather has been cleaned with Gliptone and even diluted APC. The shine never improves. :thumbsdown: At this point, I'm almost willing to risk a slight amount of leather damage. I'll have to try a test spot.

Excuse the poor lightning. The leather is decent but this photo makes it look terrible.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...822a62b7_c.jpg

You’re not using strong enough APC. Try Simple Green full strength (just don’t spot it on the seat, it will leave clean “water spots”.). Then eraser soaked in water (not dripping, but not dry).

CatchMyM3 Wed, Apr-17-2019 07:36:55 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Braymond141 (Post 1067947016)
You’re not using strong enough APC. Try Simple Green full strength (just don’t spot it on the seat, it will leave clean “water spots”.). Then eraser soaked in water (not dripping, but not dry).

Would you follow up with Gliptone conditioner or leave it alone after cleaning?

Braymond141 Wed, Apr-17-2019 09:10:47 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CatchMyM3 (Post 1067947019)
Would you follow up with Gliptone conditioner or leave it alone after cleaning?

Conditioners really do nothing.

M_Parallel Thu, Apr-18-2019 12:58:09 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
^^
Apart from making it shiney again.

At least that is my personal experience with them.

Mindart Thu, Apr-18-2019 05:16:43 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Then what is the keep to keeping the hides supple? just keeping the exposure to UV and heat to a minimum? ( meaning the car needs to be garaged)

so just de-greasing them periodically is really the best thing you can do for your leather?

In my case, mine have been repainted and the job was shotty and at this point I need to decide if repainting them again ( after a through cleaning of course) is worth it or just redoing the seats them self.... since i have some deep cracking , redoing the leather might be the best thing.... we'll see how much i really want to spend on this


Quote:

Originally Posted by Braymond141 (Post 1067947063)
Conditioners really do nothing.


Texaz3 Thu, Apr-18-2019 05:29:37 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Most people do not realize that leather in most cars, E36 and 99% of BMWs included, is not the leather you typically see on a couch or leather recliner. Or office chair.

It is completely sealed, processed, stamped, painted, and plastic coated - so putting conditioner on such leather is like putting it on a piece of glass - it won't be absorbed by anything but your pants. Thus the post above saying that conditioners do nothing.

Keep it clean, away from heat and sun exposure, and that's the best you can really do.

M_Parallel Thu, Apr-18-2019 06:12:14 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
^^
So how come APC works then? Or other degreasers? If it's just glass your cleaning...

Braymond141 Thu, Apr-18-2019 07:01:40 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
You're still cleaning the surface which includes all the peaks and valleys of the grain, Mpar.

Tex, semi accurate. Our leathers are semi-permeable. This amount varies on year and car manufacturer.

M_Parallel Thu, Apr-18-2019 07:34:01 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Got it.

My order was delivered today. Curious about the result.


http://idon-industries.com/bimmer/va...implegreen.jpg

Braymond141 Thu, Apr-18-2019 07:37:59 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Your seats are probably too nice for SG, Mpar.

I would have gone for LTT Solutions cleaner.

Braymond141 Thu, Apr-18-2019 07:39:21 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
http://lttleathercare.com/product/ul...ather-shampoo/

M_Parallel Thu, Apr-18-2019 11:56:32 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Braymond141 (Post 1067947400)
Your seats are probably too nice for SG, Mpar.

I would have gone for LTT Solutions cleaner.

Maybe. But I thought the same of my steering wheel, but that turned out to be incorrect.
As can be seen in the pic I posted.

I might try a small inconspicuous spot, and not go full strength.
And driver’s side is not as ‘mint’ as the rest. Blaim the big previous German owner.

And I still have the old 328i which driver‘s seat is more shiney than a Vegas Casino.

I’ll check out that LTT stuff.

M_Parallel Fri, Apr-19-2019 12:56:53 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Braymond141 (Post 1067947402)

I see they are a UK based company, which is nice as I can order without import dusties and tax (untill Brexit).

I see the Ultra Leather Shampoo is listed under furniture.

They have a dedicated section for car products, including a kit that has "Smart leather care Auto Foam".

Gonna order the Ultra leather shampoo nontheless.

Steve M3 Fri, Apr-19-2019 02:34:07 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Braymond141 (Post 1067947014)
Steering wheels are already quite thin in their coatings if used and worn. I would not use the eraser there.

I ended up using Adam's APC sprayed onto the wheel, agitated it with a boar's hair brush and then wrapped a microfiber around it and lightly twisted it around to take off the dirt. This was the stock wheel that was given to me with my car so there wasn't a lot to lose with it if things went wrong; however, I'm quite pleased with how much better it looks. I am thinking to try this method on my E46 interior as it could use a really good deep cleaning.

Not bad for literally less than 5 minutes of work on a 20 year old 140k mile wheel.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9d24840e_z.jpg

Thanks again for the tips :thumbsup2:

Braymond141 Fri, Apr-19-2019 05:21:24 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by M_Parallel (Post 1067947603)
I see they are a UK based company, which is nice as I can order without import dusties and tax (untill Brexit).

I see the Ultra Leather Shampoo is listed under furniture.

They have a dedicated section for car products, including a kit that has "Smart leather care Auto Foam".

Gonna order the Ultra leather shampoo nontheless.

I may have got the link wrong, use the car stuff.

M_Parallel Fri, Apr-19-2019 06:49:58 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Ah f***. Alteady placed an order.

Lets see if I can switch. I ordered a 1L bottle.

Texaz3 Mon, Apr-22-2019 12:54:36 AM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
I have just restored an e46 m3 seat using Leatherworld Tech stuff – while in the end it worked out ok, I do not recommend these products as they were really crap.

The seat was in a rough shape, with deep cracks in the seat cushion and side bolsters:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...db7028d4_c.jpgIMG_5807 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d358e3f5_c.jpgIMG_5808 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...05f82d4d_c.jpgIMG_5809 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

Not all the way through the leather, but still pretty bad:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c322fa1e_c.jpgIMG_5810 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...cd87b37f_c.jpgIMG_5811 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a7086308_c.jpgIMG_5812 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

Everything was sanded, filled, sanded again – the filler is crap, does not sand smooth even with 1000g sandpapers, and scratches easily.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a0083035_c.jpgIMG_5814 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...4e09145e_c.jpgIMG_5815 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

Airbrushed 3 coats of the paint – not a very good product either – covers well, and dries fast, but it was super thick and color match was just ok – the headrest is not painted:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...7a68c203_c.jpgIMG_5817 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

Turned out ok in the end, but I was not impressed with their products. Btw, this was the first time I have attempted to re-color leather so I had no experience at all.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...5d0fa0ec_c.jpgIMG_5818 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...49aa435d_c.jpgIMG_5819 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...37e9e574_c.jpgIMG_5820 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...75f19ac5_c.jpgIMG_5821 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...627bbef8_c.jpgIMG_5822 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f414bdd6_c.jpgIMG_5823 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2023ef40_c.jpgIMG_5824 by Italian Horses, on Flickr

M3AN Mon, Apr-22-2019 01:25:05 AM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
That looks fantastic to my eye. I wonder how long it will last?

Texaz3 Mon, Apr-22-2019 02:52:01 AM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by M3AN (Post 1067948354)
That looks fantastic to my eye. I wonder how long it will last?

It should last similar to the factory paint, or close to it. The only thing I'm worried about is the filler - wonder how it will hold. I guess we'll know soon enough.

M3AN Mon, Apr-22-2019 07:58:39 AM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Yes, i agree that the filler is the weak point, my experience says ~2 years.

Texaz3 Mon, Apr-22-2019 05:20:37 PM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by M3AN (Post 1067948412)
Yes, i agree that the filler is the weak point, my experience says ~2 years.

if its 2 years, that would be too bad, I guess - this is a passenger seat that will be rarely used, so hopefully will hold up.

I did this for a friend, not my car - but I will definitely know if there are any issues. It has completely dried this morning, and looks real good.

M_Parallel Fri, May-03-2019 01:24:59 AM

Re: re-dye, re-upholster or leave them alone?
 
Got the LTT foam cleaner.

Did a quick test on an old armrest which is my guinea pig to try anything on.

First impression is good. Just for the fact it’s a foam and not some creamy stuff that makes leather shiney and feeling oily.

To be continued.

Thx to Braymond for the tip.

http://idon-industries.com/bimmer/various/2019/ltt.jpg


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