I don't think this link has been posted before:

http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/meldungen/artikel.php?artikel_id=9431

The online version of the story will probably be available online at www.autobild.de later this week (still in german....)

The short version is that engine output is 425 bhp from a 4.4 litre V8 derived from the V10 in M5/M6. Choice of a manual gearbox or SMG. A dual-shift gearbox is also in development but will not be available at launch.

Launch is not expected until the beginning of '07.

i thought BMW had already acknowleged that it was going to be a 4.0L V8 producing ~400hp?

hhmm...how sweet would it be if it got bumped to a 4.4 *drools*

hhmm...how sweet would it be if it got bumped to a 4.4 *drools*

bigger engine, more weight, heavier internals.... I wouldnt mind a 3.8 I6 to be honest.... But since they are going V8...

bigger engine, more weight, heavier internals.... I wouldnt mind a 3.8 I6 to be honest.... But since they are going V8...

you think there would really be a huge weigh diff. between 4.0 and 4.4? I really dont know? I know the new engine is going to be more leight weigh.

bigger engine, more weight, heavier internals.... I wouldnt mind a 3.8 I6 to be honest.... But since they are going V8...
didn't they build the V8 to be virtually the same weight as the current S54?

i thought BMW had already acknowleged that it was going to be a 4.0L V8 producing ~400hp?
nothing has been acknowledged yet. I bet even BMW doesn't exactly know how much power the new M3 will have at launch date.

They're probably still doing a lot of testing and evaluating of what's on the market now, and what will be on the market once the E90 M3 hits. There are a lot of variables that still need to be considered.

As we all know something about the next M3 e92 evolution, BMW will be using less cast iron, and incorporating more magnesium alloys to the engine block. Just read up on the specs on the new e60 M5; you'll get an idea what BMW Motorsport is thinking.

Magnesium is quite light; Formula One uses magnesium engine blocks (3.0 Liter); total engine weight with all moving parts are less that 200 lbs.

In terms of its engine size, BMW is purposely confusing everyone; especially is competitors. They are going to want at least a 3-4 year performance bench mark over you-know-who; the guys over Stuttgart and Ingolstadt.

In terms of its engine size, BMW is purposely confusing everyone; especially is competitors. They are going to want at least a 3-4 year performance bench mark over you-know-who; the guys over Stuttgart and Ingolstadt.
huh? Canada?

what do you guys think the price tag is gonna be?

what do you guys think the price tag is gonna be?

there are many other threads talking about this but I think there will be a 5-10% price increase... many think it will be a lot more than that but if it is it will be priced out of the market

Who knows....Apparently, BMW Motorsport wants to be more exclusive, just like AMG. If you look at the price increase over new model introductions, it is a safe bet that BMW will start at approximately $50,000-$55,000 base. Just look at the M5.

when the E36 M3 launched, Base price was around $39k. then E46 came and base price is around $47. (i know $46,600 or something) so with the E90 M, im guessing around 54-56 for base price

bigger engine, more weight, heavier internals.... I wouldnt mind a 3.8 I6 to be honest.... But since they are going V8...


That must be why the GM 6.0L LS2 weighs less than an S54.


Adam

That must be why the GM 6.0L LS2 weighs less than an S54.


Adam

This is true. :agree:

An I of the same displacement as a V will be heavier so theres a definate advantage in that respect. The I6 was a heavy beast!

An I of the same displacement as a V will be heavier so theres a definate advantage in that respect. The I6 was a heavy beast!

indeed but such badass enginering

I don't think this link has been posted before:

http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/meldungen/artikel.php?artikel_id=9431

The online version of the story will probably be available online at www.autobild.de later this week (still in german....)

The short version is that engine output is 425 bhp from a 4.4 litre V8 derived from the V10 in M5/M6. Choice of a manual gearbox or SMG. A dual-shift gearbox is also in development but will not be available at launch.

Launch is not expected until the beginning of '07.

Yeh... check this out... only a couple of hours old.... very different to the current 3 rear end... maybe another hoax?

Yeh... check this out... only a couple of hours old.... very different to the current 3 rear end... maybe another hoax?
as bad a photoshop as this is, it's actually the best on I've seen thus far.

I guess I'm looking for something closer to the E46.

as bad a photoshop as this is, it's actually the best on I've seen thus far.

I guess I'm looking for something closer to the E46.

Yeah... it's fingers crossed with all these ugly beemers these days....

That must be why the GM 6.0L LS2 weighs less than an S54.


Adam

I am not going to get in this war again my friend. Not again.

Yeah... it's fingers crossed with all these ugly beemers these days....


whether or not you like them or not...they'll be here....and waving as they blow past you.

I don't think this link has been posted before:

http://www.autobild.de/aktuell/meldungen/artikel.php?artikel_id=9431

The online version of the story will probably be available online at www.autobild.de later this week (still in german....)

The short version is that engine output is 425 bhp from a 4.4 litre V8 derived from the V10 in M5/M6. Choice of a manual gearbox or SMG. A dual-shift gearbox is also in development but will not be available at launch.

Launch is not expected until the beginning of '07.
Use the Babel Fish site for translation from German to English:
http://world.altavista.com/

Bob :thumbsup:

same 4.4 from the x5?

no they have used a 4.4 since 96 FYI, the 96 740 and 840 and the 97-98 540, the engine code was M62, then in 99 they updated it to a M62TU the 4.4 X5 also got the M62TU ( along with the BMW Alpina Z8 roadster) then some time in 2005 the X5 got the new V8 thats in the 745 and 545 the N62 ( still a 4.4L) but has valvetronic.

Now they have updated the N62 motor in 06 modles ( 750's 550's and 650's) They get a N62TU with a 4.8 liter ( I am sure this will flow down to the V8 X5 also).

The motor that is planed for the E90 M3 is going to be a Version of the new M5/M6 motor. With a Mag block. And all the M motors codes starts with a S ( ya I know it seems like the M motors should start with a M and the others S but I am not the one who decied this)

E36 M3 95 = S50B30
E36 M3 96-99 = S52B32
E46 M3 01-06 = S54B32
E90 M3 07-* = S**B40? or 44? wait to find out.

( the B in the motor code is German for Gas and the 2 numbers after it are liters B30= Gas 3.0 ect.) hope this clears some things up for ya no X5 motor in it :)

whether or not you like them or not...they'll be here....and waving as they blow past you.


And then I'll wave back when they're refilling their thirsty beast 3 blocks later. I can see those V8 engines sucking down $80 per tank once gas goes to $4 a gallon.

I will keep my I6 and better fuel efficiency, thank you very much. :beer:

gonna be another gas guzzler :)

4.0L makes more sense.. that would let them use the same rods and pistons from the V10. Saves development costs.

And then I'll wave back when they're refilling their thirsty beast 3 blocks later. I can see those V8 engines sucking down $80 per tank once gas goes to $4 a gallon.

I will keep my I6 and better fuel efficiency, thank you very much. :beer:

The fuel efficiency of the M3 was the one factor that had me considering a Toyota hybrid. When I found out the hybrid wasn't available with imola seats, :banghead: I went with the M3.