i wanted an E46, however a little out of my price range so i'm lookin at an E36, but i was thinking i wanted to keep this E36, then sell it a month or two before the E90 comes out so that the value of the car wont drop, but once the E90 m3 does come out, i'd hope the E46 m3 would drop around 25kish.

so i was wondering when the first E90 M3 is likely to be sold?

and any other info on my idea

I don't know when the E90 M3's gonna come out but if the E46 is kinda pricey for you now, the E90 is really gonna be out of your range (with the 6 series starting at almost $70K, and this upcoming M being a V8 and all, I have a feeling it's gonna start around close to $60K as opposed to $48K for the E46-- someone correct me if i'm wrong) .. besides you should wait about a year or two for all those litlte demons to get sorted out on a new car..

The new M3 is the E92 and will begin production in 2006 as a 2007 model. I don't think the price will increase that much due to the increased competition. The new 3 series only increased $149 from the previous model and it's much better. The E92 M3 will be available as coupe, sedan and then a touring version in that order. A high rev V8 evolved from the M5 V10 - Basically two cylinders removed, 420 to 440 BHP, top speed could be unlimited up to 180 or 190mph. Seven speed SMG. Also a carbon fibre roof like the M6. Although they are testing cars with carbon fibre and steel. Probably a sunroof issue. The M6 does not have a sunroof. It's going to be a blast! :thumbsup:

Touring, as in wagon? If so, I don't think I'd dig that very much. Couldn't imagine an M wagon.

The new M3 is the E92 and will begin production in 2006 as a 2007 model. I don't think the price will increase that much due to the increased competition. The new 3 series only increased $149 from the previous model and it's much better. The E92 M3 will be available as coupe, sedan and then a touring version in that order. A high rev V8 evolved from the M5 V10 - Basically two cylinders removed, 420 to 440 BHP, top speed could be unlimited up to 180 or 190mph. Seven speed SMG. Also a carbon fibre roof like the M6. Although they are testing cars with carbon fibre and steel. Probably a sunroof issue. The M6 does not have a sunroof. It's going to be a blast! :thumbsup:


Where are you getting this information from?

I was unaware it was E92. Also, I was unaware of the sedan and wagon. Last I heard it was going to be E90 and in coupe/convertible only. The reason they didn't offer the E46 in the sedan/wagon form is because of internal competition with the M5. Of course, I may be all wrong, but this is the last I heard.

I'm not sure about the roof.

I spoke with a rep from BMW North America and confirmed the E92 designation. They had a prodution list and it was listed however an exact launch date was not available. The other info came from an interview with the head of M posted on germancarfans.com. I think because of the price difference they won't compete. I am not sure if any of this info is correct. BMW NA was helpful, however, BMW International would not respond to my request. It would appear that some of the info being released from BMW is bogus. Twin Turbocharged 3 series, M2 etc. Lots of talk. Some say the E90 coupe wont be released for another year. With the M5 and the M6 done and being delivered they must be working on something. Maybe the E90 3 series coupe and E92 M3 will be released at the same time. I hope soon or I am buying something else.

if the M3 is E92, is it going to be completely different from the regular 3 series? aka, even more so than E46 330Ci - E46 M3??

the name of the sedan E90
the name of the wagon E91
the name of the coupé E92

I think it has always been like this so it will be just as different as the m3 coupé is from the normal sedan...
so IF there will be an m3 sedan this will be an E90 M3

Roundel magazine recently had a list of all the E designations, and the M3 was listed as E92.

My guess is that base price on the E92 will be around $52-55K.

May 30 Autoweek has a tiny "spy" photo of the new M3 and mentions that the release date is unclear. "But as is the case with the M5 and M6, we expect to see it within a year"

And on the next page is the new Audi RS4 (v-8 418hp/317lb-ft, 6 spd manual) for $78,000 base!!! Yikes!

We won't be sure about the date until BMW actually announces it. Remember when all the E46 fanatics were going crazy and saying that M3 production was ending in May? Well, my neighbor just ordered one two days ago from Pacific BMW. It's never official until they say so. :)

The E92 M3 will be available as coupe, sedan and then a touring version in that order.

does this mean that the m3 coupe will be launched pretty quickly after the launch of the coupe?
otherwise the launch of the sedan will be very close to its facelift?


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does this mean that the m3 coupe will be launched pretty quickly after the launch of the coupe?
otherwise the launch of the sedan will be very close to its facelift?:

Facelift may not matter. E46 M3 never got the facelift of the other E46s (a good thing IMO).

The E90 series coupe is launching soon (like this fall), isn't it? I think the M3 is much farther out. I still think we'll see a 06 E46 M3 until May 2006 & the E92 M3 won't appear until Fall 07.

Considering that BMW usually releases pics of the new models 6 to 8 months prior to release (and nobody has seen actual pics of the new E90 coupe) who knows when it will be released. Everything is just specualtion as of right now.

BMW North America said the E46 M3 will stop production is August 2005. The E46 coupe and convert. will continue to be sold and will also continue as a 2006 model. The E90 coupe will not come out until next year and the E92 M3 will follow shortly after the release of the coupe. :dance:

July 14th, 11:59 PDT, 2007.

BMW North America said the E46 M3 will stop production is August 2005. The E46 coupe and convert. will continue to be sold and will also continue as a 2006 model. The E90 coupe will not come out until next year and the E92 M3 will follow shortly after the release of the coupe. :dance:

Where and when did they make that statement? It's the first I've heard of it.

Check out this link. You will be very pleased http://www.bmw2002.co.uk/news.htm

Check out this link. You will be very pleased http://www.bmw2002.co.uk/news.htm

More conjecture on the M3, just like everything else. All those photos/photoshops have already appeared elsewhere.

Dean

More conjecture on the M3, just like everything else. All those photos/photoshops have already appeared elsewhere.

Dean
All the photos on the originated on that website. Read the whole thing and check the dates and status of other cars. You will see the website is on point.

I just heard that BMW plans on displaying the E90 M3 at the 2007 Frankfurt Autoshow meaning we will not see it in North America until the fall of that year at the earliest.

Where and when did they make that statement? It's the first I've heard of it.

I called customer service and just asked about the M3. That was all the info they had.

I don't know when the E90 M3's gonna come out but if the E46 is kinda pricey for you now, the E90 is really gonna be out of your range (with the 6 series starting at almost $70K, and this upcoming M being a V8 and all, I have a feeling it's gonna start around close to $60K as opposed to $48K for the E46-- someone correct me if i'm wrong) .. besides you should wait about a year or two for all those litlte demons to get sorted out on a new car..

You're definitely wrong, just talked to my guy here in Darmstadt, Gerrmany, the new 335i is gonna start at around 39-40k, the new M4 (that's right , I said M4) is gonna start at around 50-52k tops. a little price increase but then again you are getting a whole lot more car in both cases. The 335i with two turbos and around 300 horses, probably offered first in the coupe next summer, M4 will come out earliest fall of 2006, more like spring of 2007, and it's gonna be lightweight, M division is going back to their roots, it's only gonna have 400 horses, which is not all that spectacular out of an eight cylinder in this day and age but it's gonna still maintain the same supremacy the E46 M3 has enjoyed these last couple of years, i'm guessing there's going to be some amazing, groundbreaking stuff BMW's going to pull out of their ass.

If you look up two posts...I got that information from a friend in Germany. This is just more proof that eveything is just specualtion until BMW actually announces something to the general public.

You're definitely wrong, just talked to my guy here in Darmstadt, Gerrmany, the new 335i is gonna start at around 39-40k, the new M4 (that's right , I said M4) is gonna start at around 50-52k tops. a little price increase but then again you are getting a whole lot more car in both cases. The 335i with two turbos and around 300 horses, probably offered first in the coupe next summer, M4 will come out earliest fall of 2006, more like spring of 2007, and it's gonna be lightweight, M division is going back to their roots, it's only gonna have 400 horses, which is not all that spectacular out of an eight cylinder in this day and age but it's gonna still maintain the same supremacy the E46 M3 has enjoyed these last couple of years, i'm guessing there's going to be some amazing, groundbreaking stuff BMW's going to pull out of their ass.
If you read my post i said "I have a feeling..around $60K starting price" and the only thing coming out of anyone's ass is your response.. that's all- have a good one

If you read my post i said "I have a feeling..around $60K starting price" and the only thing coming out of anyone's ass is your response.. that's all- have a good one

you're 10k off, and that is all (don't get so upset lil guy, it's just a forum :peace: )

You're definitely wrong, just talked to my guy here in Darmstadt, Gerrmany, the new 335i is gonna start at around 39-40k, the new M4 (that's right , I said M4) is gonna start at around 50-52k tops. a little price increase but then again you are getting a whole lot more car in both cases. The 335i with two turbos and around 300 horses, probably offered first in the coupe next summer, M4 will come out earliest fall of 2006, more like spring of 2007, and it's gonna be lightweight, M division is going back to their roots, it's only gonna have 400 horses, which is not all that spectacular out of an eight cylinder in this day and age but it's gonna still maintain the same supremacy the E46 M3 has enjoyed these last couple of years, i'm guessing there's going to be some amazing, groundbreaking stuff BMW's going to pull out of their ass.

I thought that whole M4 stuff was thrown out the window...it should be kept M3 to stay with tradition. Anyways...im set to buy in 2009 (gonna wait 2 years for the kinks to be worked out and what not) so hopefully the next M3/M4/M whatever..is full of creamy goodness :thumbsup: :D

First of all, the M4 name was ditched. Yes, I said ditched. There have been tons of articles (sry for no proof, for now) that BMW stated the "M3" name was too popular and known to be ditched for "M4."

I just read up about the 335i, and i had really thought to myself if BMW was ever going to make a stronger 3 series (non M) for the market. Lo and behold, they are going to bring out a TWIN TURBO 3 series now? 300 horses? My my, that is actually really tempting. Sounds like fun for a 3er. I can imagine owning one of those and upgrading it a little, mmmm fun fun fun!
Although, I am positive that I'll be sitting outside one day, will hear a 335i pass by, -and will be swept away by the sound of a blow-off valve... :jerkit:

First of all, the M4 name was ditched. Yes, I said ditched. There have been tons of articles (sry for no proof, for now) that BMW stated the "M3" name was too popular and known to be ditched for "M4."

I just read up about the 335i, and i had really thought to myself if BMW was ever going to make a stronger 3 series (non M) for the market. Lo and behold, they are going to bring out a TWIN TURBO 3 series now? 300 horses? My my, that is actually really tempting. Sounds like fun for a 3er. I can imagine owning one of those and upgrading it a little, mmmm fun fun fun!
Although, I am positive that I'll be sitting outside one day, will hear a 335i pass by, -and will be swept away by the sound of a blow-off valve... :jerkit:

Okay, seriously folks, you need to get off that whole "name recognition marketing" crap, the same people who are gonna drop 50k+ on this vehicle are going to buy a vehicle badged M4 the same as if it were named M3......it's understood .....it will be the next generation M3...we're not talking about housewives and their favorite brand of dishwashing soap changing names so now they won't recognize it at the supermarket ..... anyway, :2dedhorse it's a freakin M3 whichever way you put it, so regardless of whether BMW decides to change things up a little bit namewise it's going to be a 3er-based M division car below the M5 in price and more than likely straight-line performance (raw horsepower wise) if it makes everyone happy we'll just stick to "M3" from now on.

Okay, seriously folks, you need to get off that whole "name recognition marketing" crap, the same people who are gonna drop 50k+ on this vehicle are going to buy a vehicle badged M4 the same as if it were named M3......it's understood .....it will be the next generation M3...we're not talking about housewives and their favorite brand of dishwashing soap changing names so now they won't recognize it at the supermarket ..... anyway, :2dedhorse it's a freakin M3 whichever way you put it, so regardless of whether BMW decides to change things up a little bit namewise it's going to be a 3er-based M division car below the M5 in price and more than likely straight-line performance (raw horsepower wise) if it makes everyone happy we'll just stick to "M3" from now on.

chevy im trying to be non-biased here, even though i agree that m3, m4 is the same car at the end. There ARE idiots out there that would not buy the car simply because it doesnt have the "M3" name on it. Stop arguing as to whether or not the M4 name is going to be used, or why it should be, because it just ISNT!

I agree with your ideas, but don't try to make us happy and call it an M3 for our sake. It IS going to be the M3. :agree:

OK, since obviously everyone is still speculating, let's try to look at this from the business aspect.

By all means, as a business, BMW should keep the M3 name. Time has proven that name recognition is a major part of business. Consumers prefer something they can recognize, especially if they know it as reliable and rightly qualified. Since the M3 is one of the better selling under 48-65K sports cars that pushes the line, why would any intelligent business board elect to change its name? It can even be seen in politics, hence family of former reps, sens and presidents being elected. I mean, look at Rep. Matsui. She has no experience in Washington, but was elected a month after her husband died in office.

Second of all, the price must remain competitive. There are too many cheap cars these days with too much power. BMW will need to offer an M3 that appeals to those who can afford it and those who would purchase it. The price may increase a bit, but as technology increases, reason being for more power these days, prices of said technology decreases. It's a simple matter of supply and demand. Demand for M3's is high considering what they are. In order to continue to drive such demand, the car must meet the correct parameters. If the price increases too much, some would-be M3 purchasers may elect to buy a different model or a different make altogether in order to meet their financial means and desired qualities. Also, the E90 is comparably priced to its predecessor but has more power and more features. It would be safe to use that as a model. Bottom line, they can't price themselves out of the niche market in which the M3 currently resides.

As for year of release. I have spoken with my dealer and I had lunch with BMWNA last week. According to my dealer and BMWNA, the new 3 coupe/cabrio will be out next spring in a more aggressive but similar design to that of the E90 sedan. It is then safe to assume that the new M3 is at earliest scheduled for fall 06 or spring 07. I am on the waiting list and they have my money, so they know it is coming soon. According to the BMWNA board and a rep from the SC plant, no official info has been released. The only detail they were able to mention was the V8. They said that I could infer that the BHP would reach 400, for marketing/"ultimate driving machine" purposes. They would not comment further, but made no mention of a new name for the vehicle. This is not to say that the name won't change, they just didn't mention it. They have not seen any pics yet either.

So in all, it is fine to speculate, but for those who are getting upset, you must realize that no info has really been released. We could all be right, or all wrong.

mbjennings, your right. The name will be kept M3 mainly because it makes sense for business, as i said before. They will not have as many customers with the "M4" name.

my cuz works at a dealer and he has all the info he drove the m5 he said it was crazy and also the m6 he said the e90 yes e90 not e92 m3 will be in a sedan and a coupe but the coupe will be coming in a year later then the sedan and there are some arguements going on over the car just being smg some ppl want the car to be manual recently heard is that the sedan will be the smg and the coupe will be manual or smg thats all ill keep u guys updated

The new M3 is the E92 and will begin production in 2006 as a 2007 model. I don't think the price will increase that much due to the increased competition. The new 3 series only increased $149 from the previous model and it's much better. The E92 M3 will be available as coupe, sedan and then a touring version in that order. A high rev V8 evolved from the M5 V10 - Basically two cylinders removed, 420 to 440 BHP, top speed could be unlimited up to 180 or 190mph. Seven speed SMG. Also a carbon fibre roof like the M6. Although they are testing cars with carbon fibre and steel. Probably a sunroof issue. The M6 does not have a sunroof. It's going to be a blast! :thumbsup:

Cosmos I wish you were correct but the dates you have shown I believe are for the regular coupe not the M. Expect the M3 to be built in Mar 07 as a 08 model, we are still a solid 18 mos. away before we see a M3. I hope I'm wrong though and you are correct, my lease is up in Nov. 06. Dave

With the talk of the twin turbo 3 series, no more SMG trans., a new ZSG transmission, and twin turbo V-8's in the 5-series I don't know what to think. I want to put my money down on something but I can't seem to find out what they will be selling and when they will be seilling it. I called BMW NA again and they said production of the E46 M3 will stop in August 2005. No info on the new M3. So maybe one year after that. However, all I hear is the E92 coupe will be relased then. Any chance the the four door e90 M3 will be released before the E92 coupe.

Dealer Bulletin on Bimmerfest says
E90 325 xi 9/05 $32,200
E90 330 xi 9/05 $38,200

E91 3 Series Sports Wagon
E91 325xi Sports Wagon 9/05 $34,000
E91 325i Sports Wagon Spring 2006

E92 3 Series Coupe Fall 2006
E93 3 Series Convertible Spring 2007

With the talk of the twin turbo 3 series, no more SMG trans., a new ZSG transmission, and twin turbo V-8's in the 5-series I don't know what to think. I want to put my money down on something but I can't seem to find out what they will be selling and when they will be seilling it. I called BMW NA again and they said production of the E46 M3 will stop in August 2005. No info on the new M3. So maybe one year after that. However, all I hear is the E92 coupe will be relased then. Any chance the the four door e90 M3 will be released before the E92 coupe.

Dealer Bulletin on Bimmerfest says
E90 325 xi 9/05 $32,200
E90 330 xi 9/05 $38,200

E91 3 Series Sports Wagon
E91 325xi Sports Wagon 9/05 $34,000
E91 325i Sports Wagon Spring 2006

E92 3 Series Coupe Fall 2006
E93 3 Series Convertible Spring 2007

My personal opinion is that they will release the E92 M3 before the 4dr. First off the 4dr M3 will compete directly with the M5 and I will be shocked if it will even be offered. Its the same reason they didn't offer a E46 M3 Sedan. If the Coupe is released Fall 2006 we hopefully will see a M3 version in Spring of 07. Now the decision is to bone up for the price of this car or get the new Ford GT 500 Cobra. Dave

I called BMW NA again and they said production of the E46 M3 will stop in August 2005.

Does this mean there will not be a 2006 M3? It seems as though there is a general consensus that one will be produced, and I am sort of counting on being able to order one this fall...

Does this mean there will not be a 2006 M3? It seems as though there is a general consensus that one will be produced, and I am sort of counting on being able to order one this fall...

BMW mentioned to me over the phone that, and I quote, "The E46 M3 will continue production THROUGH summer of 2005." We do not really know if its going to stop dead in August, but yes nullus, just like the gap for the e36 M3 (2000 had no M3), we will experience a no-2006 M3. ( it would be crazy if they still make it though for 06 :thumbsup: )

I received the following email response from my dealer at the end of June. His response read as follows:

"We just got off the phone with the head folks for BMW North America and I can give you the full story. You can take what I am about to tell you to the bank.

There have been alot of rumors...if you go onto the forums...no one seems to know whether or not there will be an 06 M3 and the reason is...BMW had not set anything official. But it is now.

There will be a 2006 M3. It will be the same as the 05 M3 and will be available for the entire year. In fall of 2007...not 2006....the new M3 will make its debut. The reason for the confusion is that they backed up the release of the coupe...so they decided to do one more year of the M3."

BMW mentioned to me over the phone that, and I quote, "The E46 M3 will continue production THROUGH summer of 2005." We do not really know if its going to stop dead in August, but yes nullus, just like the gap for the e36 M3 (2000 had no M3), we will experience a no-2006 M3. ( it would be crazy if they still make it though for 06 :thumbsup: )