I wonder if they will be sending the next M3 CSL to the States. I believe I read somewhere where it will have 450 hp.

That would be badass if they could get the CSL version over here.

That would be badass if they could get the CSL version over here.

yeah, it would be; but I would want it to be totally stripped out and very lightweight more so than e46 M3 CSL. My guess would be that the price would still exceed 100K, which at that price, you should go ahead and get the exotic, because it really not a money issue at the point.

M3 CSL in the states!!! :bugeye: that would fufil many dreams ;)

I would think BMW would see the smartness behind it considering that htey have offered now CSL style parts on the ZCP as well as they know all the CSL parts that have been slightly untruthfully ordered and made it to the US.

From all information, with the success of the CSL's in other "Lucky Countries" including Australia.............. the sales went that well, I believe they will be making a global CSL. Ced, I seem to think it will have a lot more go than 450HP. The current E46 M CSL would have had a lot more I think if engine limitation didnt have anything to do with it.
Adam.

440 hp reported in Roundel. At 100k, I'd pick an exotic as Ced states, but would be awesome to see here.

It'd be nice having them around here, but at that price you can do much better.

Still think for that sort of money you are not just getting an M, you are getting a total WEAPON that will destroy a lot of exotics that are twice the money. Im sure a lot of ppl will change their mind once they hit the land of the free.
Adam.

Still think for that sort of money you are not just getting an M, you are getting a total WEAPON that will destroy a lot of exotics that are twice the money. Im sure a lot of ppl will change their mind once they hit the land of the free.
Adam.

agreed

M3 CSL will cost like 100k

Ive heard somewhere that it will be more in the range of 425hp...

i'd love to see that happen as well.

Why are people saying go exotic for 100K? The only exotic you're getting for 100K is a 360 modena. The E46 M3 CSL will flat out embarass a 360 round a circuit. CSL competed with the GT3 and the Challenge Stradale. CSL was a lot cheaper than both and beat them both. Hell, I've read that the CSL beat both the Gallardo and the McMerc SLR round the ring. Not sure if I believe those 2 but either way, for lots cheaper, you're getting a car that runs the same or better than the exotics.
Car: Time Round the Ring:
Carrera GT 7:40
Pagoni Zonda S 7:44
GT3 RS 7:47
E46 M3 CSL 7:50
Murcielago 7:50
996 GT3 7:51
Gallardo 7:52
SLR 7:52
360 CS 7:56
360 8:09
Source: www.track-challenge.com
I say go for next gen CSL, it'll be cheaper and if logic stands to reason, it'll be better than quite a few of the "cheaper" exotics.

Why are people saying go exotic for 100K? The only exotic you're getting for 100K is a 360 modena. The E46 M3 CSL will flat out embarass a 360 round a circuit. CSL competed with the GT3 and the Challenge Stradale. CSL was a lot cheaper than both and beat them both. Hell, I've read that the CSL beat both the Gallardo and the McMerc SLR round the ring. Not sure if I believe those 2 but either way, for lots cheaper, you're getting a car that runs the same or better than the exotics.
Car: Time Round the Ring:
Carrera GT 7:40
Pagoni Zonda S 7:44
GT3 RS 7:47
E46 M3 CSL 7:50
Murcielago 7:50
996 GT3 7:51
Gallardo 7:52
SLR 7:52
360 CS 7:56
360 8:09
Source: www.track-challenge.com
I say go for next gen CSL, it'll be cheaper and if logic stands to reason, it'll be better than quite a few of the "cheaper" exotics.

Agreed, but if one has the means, wouldnt you want to go home in a Ferrari or Lambo....CSL or not its just a BMW in contrast to the cars listed

Agreed, but if one has the means, wouldnt you want to go home in a Ferrari or Lambo....CSL or not its just a BMW in contrast to the cars listed
Valid point. Given choice between CSL and 360 CS or F430....tough tough choice. I'd have to say 360CS or F430. To quote roundel, all 3 cars emit "an aural tribute to ecstasy rarely heard outside of the pornographic film industry." All 3 would be loads of fun to drive and all 3 would be blindingly fast. Choice between CSL and any lambo, I take the CSL. Since Audi's acquisition of lambo, I think they've lost part of their soul. Lamborghini used to sell on the basis that they were extreme and ridiculous. They lacked the herritage and reputation of ferrari, so they needed to be outrageous in order to sell. I have to quote Tiff Needell because I couldn't agree more: "lambo has joined the ranks of supercars suitable for everyday use, but in so doing it's lost a little of what I loved about lamborghinis. They used to be outrageous, now they're almost respectable." So for me, "low end" Ferrari ~= CSL > Lambo
-Dave

I know this is the M3 forum and all but $100k is a lot of money. Are you guys really that fanatical about BMW's? I love my car but I will buy from whoever produces the best product at the price point that I am looking at. $100k will buy a GT3 which blows the doors off the current CSL. I know that many people say that it is very extreme and that it is tuned to stiff that it is barely usuable for every day driving. I haven't driven the CSL but I've heard that it is very stiff as well.

The way I see it, there is no Porsche is going to sit on their butts and not continually improve their cars. Another thing is I'm not sure where you can get a 360 for $100k. It would have to be a few years old with quite a few miles on it. Ferraris hold their value incredibly well. Although the M3 may be faster around the track, the Ferrari is much sexier. I'm sure many of us here (not the hard core track guys) would swap in a heart beat.

One other thing... None of those cars listed go for under $100k. Maybe that is your point but many of those cars are dare I say... more desirable than the M3.

Well, since I am the only one in this thread who has said I'd take the CSL over a lambo or Porsche, I'll assume you were talking to me:
No, I am not that fanatical about BMW. If you read my earlier post you will see that I would take a 360CS or F430 over the CSL. As for the GT3:
The only place a GT3 will blow the doors off of a CSL at a drag stip. That's not what either car is purchased for. If looking for the best possible car at a certain allotment of income, the CSL is that car. It is more or less the performance equal of the Porsche and the Ferrari. The only catch is that the Porsche and Ferrari are a lot more expensive. So I would opt for the CSL given a choice between it and the Porsche. Like I said earlier though, given a choice between the CSL and a 360 CS, I would have to go with the Ferrari just because I find the 360 to be the sexiest car with the best noise (other than the Carrera GT) ever.
My point about the 100K pricetag is not that the cars will retail new for 100K since niether the CSL nor the 360CS are in production anymore and the GT3 is either not in production, or only in production for a little while longer. So this necessitates usage of the used market where I believe CSL's and GT3's go for around or under 100. In any case, this is all hypothetical since the CSL as far as we over here in the US are concerned doesn't exist and I'm not about to go out tomorrow and start browsing the market for Gt3's or 360's.
-Dave

Rumour is there will be a global CSL but it won't be the fastest of the range,

the Europe only M3 Evolution anyone ?

Rumour is there will be a global CSL but it won't be the fastest of the range,

the Europe only M3 Evolution anyone ?
I'm sick of the germans screwing us out of their best offerings!! :chair: :banghead: :bs: :ratatat: :bullhorn: :spank: :fuming: :fuming: :fuming:
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i dunno bout the rest of u but come on the only bmw ill take over a lambo which really isnt 100 percent bmw is a Mclaren. I dont care about the speed and handeling that much for it to make a decision for me...its just a all around package....its like sayin why did i get this m3 if im lookin for speed handeling and money savings...its like why didnt i go buy a hatch turbo it put **** load of suspenion on it and shave my self 40gran?

The csl's speed and handeling is 2 close to other super cars for it to make a big impact on my decision by saying oh yea the csl got .2 secons faster then a murcielago around a track so ill buy it instead. Ones a F*ckin lambo the looks the handeling the speed everything combined is wut makes up the car.

I agree with 03M3SMG's post. Besides, we are talking about the E46 M3 CSL right? Correct me if I am wrong but the 911 GT3 beats the CSL in just about every possible way. We are talking about the used market for these car right? A new GT3 is right around the $100k mark.

The only reason the CSL is fast than the GT3 is the rubber. Rcomps on the GT3 and it's lights out.

From the very best street rubber to decent R comps (not Hoosiers, perhaps Kumhos or Toyos) at my local track, you'll be looking at 3 seconds minimum on a 2 minute track. Do the math. The CSL ain't all that.

depends how wacky it looks!!!

i am in :thumbsup: