I do not want to steal his glory. But I had to post this. Matthews(Lee) has broken his previous fastest trap speed. I heard 111 on the first pass. Stay tuned for more developments. Now that is a killer!

Awesome! What was the E/T? Does he have a video?

holy sh!t !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 111 trap

AWESOME!!

Okay guys.....this increase is by using the AFE intake and 4.10 gears. His previous best was 109 mph.

Man.....that is so freakin' impressive. Great job Lee!!! :thumbsup:

Excellent. I knew he would pull through. :thumbsup:

He prolly ran a 12.1 or 12.2.............................

Alright...just got off the phone with Lee. He says the car is making significantly more power (as is seen by his new trap speed)...BUT, the gears are giving him so much more torque multiplication he's having a very hard time hooking up. He's still trying to get the right launch RPM down with his new gears.

His best E.T. was a 12.52 and his best trap speed was 110.99mph.

With good traction...he'd be in the 12.2-12.3 range. :thumbsup:

Sweet!!

There better be a vid!!

wow I still can't believe thats from a NA M3!!

Alright...just got off the phone with Lee. He says the car is making significantly more power (as is seen by his new trap speed)...BUT, the gears are giving him so much more torque multiplication he's having a very hard time hooking up. He's still trying to get the right launch RPM down with his new gears.

His best E.T. is a 12.52 and his best trap speed is 110.99mph.

With good traction...he'd be in the 12.2-12.3 range. :thumbsup:

Thats awesome Scott. Once Lee figures out how to get the right launch, we'll see some excellent times. But with faster times, will there be a faster trap speed? Or is there no real correlation between them?

I do not want to steal his glory. But I had to post this. Matthews(Lee) has broken his previous fastest trap speed. I heard 111 on the first pass. Stay tuned for more developments. Now that is a killer!

Lee is the man... I don't think anyone will touch his times.

Alright...just got off the phone with Lee. He says the car is making significantly more power (as is seen by his new trap speed)...BUT, the gears are giving him so much more torque multiplication he's having a very hard time hooking up. He's still trying to get the right launch RPM down with his new gears.

His best E.T. is a 12.52 and his best trap speed is 110.99mph.

With good traction...he'd be in the 12.2-12.3 range. :thumbsup:

I also suspected low 12's, that was a given.

i have never seen a M3 with the exception of Lee's do 12's ..on vid..or a timeslip!....he is now approaching VERY low 12's ..who knows he may surprise us like last time with the 12.49 ..and run a 11.9....why can't ANY other M3 break into the 12's ...NA or supercharged ANYTHING...it boggles me...maybe Lee's car is alos one of those miracle cars that come out of factory with an extra 40 hp or something :-)

No...his car isn't a mircale car. You can tell this by his stock trap speeds of 107. Plenty of M3's have trapped 107 stock. It's his driving ability. He's an incredible driver. Period.

Trev - I think with good traction, you will still see a trap speed in the 110-112 range. Trap speed is an indicator of power...whereas E.T. is a indicator of traction and/or driver ability.

We all know Lee can drive. What I also think is so impressive is how much MPH has gotten from Eurobahn software and the AFE intake. There is NO doubt that those mods are making power.


i have never seen a M3 with the exception of Lee's do 12's ..on vid..or a timeslip!....he is now approaching VERY low 12's ..who knows he may surprise us like last time with the 12.49 ..and run a 11.9....why can't ANY other M3 break into the 12's ...NA or supercharged ANYTHING...it boggles me...maybe Lee's car is alos one of those miracle cars that come out of factory with an extra 40 hp or something :-)

Lee is teh man! Congratulations! Proving that M3 is fast!

Great...more speed is probably realized by his 4.10 gears for reaching the higher horsepower quicker... 3 mph faster versus standard stock gearing...

Love to see his 60 foot times...

Higher top speed isn't increased by gear alone....that takes power. Gears provide more torque which lowers E.T's when there is traction available to apply it to the ground.

As has been said, he's having a hard time hooking due to increased torque (from the multiplication of the gears)...thus his 60' times are not good. When he gets better traction (by getting a new launch technique down, adjusting tire pressure or using better rubber)...his E.T.'s will drop inversely proportionate to his increased trap speed that he's achieved from having higher HP.


Great...more speed is probably realized by his 4.10 gears for reaching the higher horsepower quicker... 3 mph faster versus standard stock gearing...

Love to see his 60 foot times...

Higher top speed isn't increased by gear alone....that takes power. Gears provide more torque which lowers E.T's when there is traction available to apply it to the ground.

As has been said, he's having a hard time hooking due to increased torque (from the multiplication of the gears)...thus his 60' times are not good. When he gets better traction (by getting a new launch technique down, adjusting tire pressure or using better rubber)...his E.T.'s will drop inversely proportionate to his increased trap speed that he's achieved from having higher HP.

:hmm: sound like he needs that 3.91 for a good hook up :tongue:

j/k...

...................... :D


:hmm: sound like he needs that 3.91 for a good hook up :tongue:

j/k...

only ced could suggest something like that :tongue:

No, once Lee figures out the correct lauch.. his car will scream more than it ever has before. :D

Stock: Ahhhhh

Small mods: Ahhhhh

That new diff: Ahhhhh

Can you tell I am bored? :P

:whistle: yup, and ur a pw toooo :whistle:

Yes, I won't deny the fact, I am bored. :D

I wanna see Lee's timeslips *after* he hooks that car. It should be interesting. Plus he installed a few of the mods I was looking at, so I am anxious to see how it performs.

When will the event be over?

only ced could suggest something like that :tongue:

:haha: I'm all for it :D

Is this really from a SMG model with just those 2 mods?

Is this really from a SMG model with just those 2 mods?
6MT and more mods are on the car...pullies, no passenger seat...and iced down airbox, lighter wheels, SW

Oh it said it was a bone stock SMG on the time slip. awesome run!

Oh it said it was a bone stock SMG on the time slip. awesome run!

huh :???: we are talking about Matthew, right ...

so where is matthews :D

Yeah where is he :hmm:

I'll bet he's hiding!

Maybe he's still at the drags.

huh :???: we are talking about Matthew, right ...

My mistake. I was looking @ gnk2727s' time slip in his sig. Didn't really look @ it too closely. Just saw SMG. I should put my glasses on. :thumbsup:

Some of that trap speed might be b/c of the weather, I don't know what the weather was like in his other runs, but temp, humid, bar-pressure make a big diff!!!! so its hard to tell how much the intake really helps unless the conditions are the same!

Kevin

Im back. I"m very sleepy, talk to you guys in the morning.

cant wait to see how you did, cmon dont keep us in suspense. Lee is such a modest guy, he prolly ran a 11.9x and wants to wait till mornin to tell us...........

Im back. I"m very sleepy, talk to you guys in the morning.

You bastard!!!!! :chair: ;)

Yeah, look he's still online too. He's teasing us......

Ok heres the skinny on todays events. The car ran its best et and mph today at E-town. The mph was 111 and I was very happy with that. Even when I made a bad pass it would run 110 and change. I was only able to run 12.48 and that was not great. I was able to get the car to hook an that pass with a 1.75 sixty foot time. I'm not sure why I the car would not run 12.2-12.3 Anyway the humidty was around 70% and the temp about 60*. The air was better when I ran the 12.49@ 109 so the car is making more power now for sure. The bottom line is the AFE intake is working and one of the more cost effective mods we can make.

great review and great runs anyways lee....

Nice Lee. Did you get the launches down?

Nice Lee. Did you get the launches down?
I did manage a good launch. I had a 1.75 sixty foot time. I think the air was just not on our side today. I have no doubt that this car will run 12.2 in great conditions.

The best part of the day was when wayne gave me his keys and told me to make a pass in his car. His car is heavy, 3540 with me in it. Anyway I ran 12.80 with no cool down at all. What is on his car? Intake and software.

I did manage a good launch. I had a 1.75 sixty foot time. I think the air was just not on our side today. I have no doubt that this car will run 12.2 in great conditions.

Very nice. Wait another month and go back when the air is cool again. :thumbsup:

The best part of the day was when wayne gave me his keys and told me to make a pass in his car. His car is heavy, 3540 with me in it. Anyway I ran 12.80 with no cool down at all. What is on his car? Intake and software.

See, he can do it in other cars aside from his. :D

Jesus Christ. Those are great runs. Mathews what is the best time you think an SMG car could run with the same mods as yours? Is the major thing holding the SMG back the launch RPM? or do you think it is the shifting?

Also has anyone ran less that 13s in an SMG?

Jesus Christ. Those are great runs. Mathews what is the best time you think an SMG car could run with the same mods as yours? Is the major thing holding the SMG back the launch RPM? or do you think it is the shifting?
Launch rpm is the big smg hurdle. Scotts car will be a good example of what you can run in a smg with mods like my car. I'm sure 12s will be no problem.

Lee has elite driving skills.

Stick one of us in your car and I doubt we'll be able to match your times. Great runs!

That's why he is the man.

hey i was just wondering where you drag your car? it says that your in NY. would be nice to know where the track is and when the next race would be.

I did manage a good launch. I had a 1.75 sixty foot time. I think the air was just not on our side today. I have no doubt that this car will run 12.2 in great conditions.

mmmmhmmm! Conditions in the air, why those SRT-4's are so quick. :D

You beat your 12.49 --- 12.48 @ 111 :thumbsup:

Low 12's for you will be a definate.

wow! well done. especially after you check out the time of the autowerke M3 in the C&D supercar challenge. Granted it was prolly a little warmer but damn.

Great job Matthews, you are definitely a consistent driver at the drag, thus you can see your improvements with your mods. Do you think your increased ET is accounted for in your AFE CAI only? How does the 4.1 diff play in the results? How do you like it on the drag?

mmmmhmmm! Conditions in the air, why those SRT-4's are so quick. :D

You beat your 12.49 --- 12.48 @ 111 :thumbsup:

Low 12's for you will be a definate.

Interesting, his 60 ft times got better by 0.033 sec; 1.783 last time to 1.75 this time. I'm not sure how much this accounts for MPH at the ET.

congrats on another great run..glad to see the intake is making power..

may i ask what performance mods you have done to your car besides the AFE kit? or is that the only modification?

Excellent time. :thumbsup: What do you estimate your time would be if you did not powershift?

Nice passes!!! I am curious why you don't think the 410's made the difference in the mph? I know when I tracked my car (bone stock and loaded) I thought a shorter gear would have helped a lot at the end of the track. My car was just barely getting into 4th at the end of the track, I actually bumped the limiter in 3rd through the traps once (it only ran 101mph). When I shifted into 4th it gained me 3mph but didn't net any quicker ET's. Seems a shorter gear would get you into 4th earlier resulting in more mph. Any thoughts? Also, I thought we were talking about renting out the track? Let's do it.

Again...congrats lee! That's awesome bro!

Nice passes!!! I am curious why you don't think the 410's made the difference in the mph? I know when I tracked my car (bone stock and loaded) I thought a shorter gear would have helped a lot at the end of the track. My car was just barely getting into 4th at the end of the track, I actually bumped the limiter in 3rd through the traps once (it only ran 101mph). When I shifted into 4th it gained me 3mph but didn't net any quicker ET's. Seems a shorter gear would get you into 4th earlier resulting in more mph. Any thoughts? Also, I thought we were talking about renting out the track? Let's do it.

:hmm: here's a mph chart for shifting... With a higher redline you can take advantage of the torque multiplication and extend the speed in each gear...

3.62 diff----------4.1 diff @ 8000 RPM

1st 40.47 mph---35.74 mph
2nd 67.67--------59.75
3rd 102.52-------90.52
4th 139.19-------122.90
5th 171.20-------151.16
6th 206.27-------182.12

:hmm: here's a mph chart for shifting... With a higher redline you can take advantage of the torque multiplication and extend the speed in each gear...

3.62 diff----------4.1 diff @ 8000 RPM

1st 40.47 mph---35.74 mph
2nd 67.67--------59.75
3rd 102.52-------90.52
4th 139.19-------122.90
5th 171.20-------151.16
6th 206.27-------182.12

I understand shift points and the fact that a shorter gear will (usually) result in a lower top speed. My questions is since it will get you in 4th quicker would it help with the mph? I know in my case it seems that it would? We have small motor cars that need help with gearing. Our cars don't have enough motor to pull top speed in 6th gear. If you change ratios I would bet you pick up mph at the track and on top speed. Just wondering what his thoughts were with his 410's on the strip. I had a Mustang Cobra (97 NA) that gained mph at the strip by me switching to 373's and it also gained top speed because I could use 5th as an actual gear instead of overdrive. I think the same thing would applie to our cars. Do you think our cars could turn 206mph? I don't think the chart apllies. :thumbsup:

Nice runs Lee! You should really put on a clinic...and you should probably do it in SoCal. How did you feel about the 4.10s? I am still torn on going 3.91 or 4.10. My car is a daily driver and I deal with a fair bit of traffic so I need to get the best for all worlds.

My point is that since you still have to shift into 4th for the ET time with either gearset, it seems as if you should gain some advantage with the shorter gearing, especially with a higher revline.

I understand shift points and the fact that a shorter gear will (usually) result in a lower top speed. My questions is since it will get you in 4th quicker would it help with the mph? I know in my case it seems that it would? We have small motor cars that need help with gearing. Our cars don't have enough motor to pull top speed in 6th gear. If you change ratios I would bet you pick up mph at the track and on top speed. Just wondering what his thoughts were with his 410's on the strip. I had a Mustang Cobra (97 NA) that gained mph at the strip by me switching to 373's and it also gained top speed because I could use 5th as an actual gear instead of overdrive. I think the same thing would applie to our cars. Do you think our cars could turn 206mph? I don't think the chart apllies. :thumbsup:

ABSOLUTELY correct ced!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gears can definitely help with trap speed. But it really depends on the car. Lee was already shifting to 4th so soon before the traps with his stock ratio that I'm not sure how much the gears helped. Lee told me he doesn't believe his increased trap speed came from his gears...but I'll let him expound on that.


ABSOLUTELY correct ced!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think both the intake and gears helped in the higher trap speed. My day kind of got cut short, I was cooling the car and must have wet a sensor or something because I could not start the car. I had to get a flatbed for $375 Anyway it fired right up this morning and is fine. I need to be more careful with the ice and water.

Oops. Thats no good.

I think both the intake and gears helped in the higher trap speed. My day kind of got cut short, I was cooling the car and must have wet a sensor or something because I could not start the car. I had to get a flatbed for $375 Anyway it fired right up this morning and is fine. I need to be more careful with the ice and water.

Lee thanks for the phone call, Im sorry I wasn't home last night and my cell phone was charging at home. Good job, with that mph 12.2's are definitely just a matter of time and some good north eastern air. Dave.

Lee thanks for the phone call, Im sorry I wasn't home last night and my cell phone was charging at home. Good job, with that mph 12.2's are definitely just a matter of time and some good north eastern air. Dave.
Thanks dave.

water, ice...where do you put it..for how long? does it really help?

water, ice...where do you put it..for how long? does it really help?
When I saw 111 MPH I put the ice in my lap. I use the ice on the fuel rails and intake just before I run. It helps a little

Instead of ice, use those compressed air cans, the ones you use to clean keyboards and computer stuff. Turn the can upside down and it will spray out a mist if extremely cold liquid and evaporate really quickly leaving whatever surface you just sprayed icccce cold.

hence the liquid nitrogen :D

Instead of ice, use those compressed air cans, the ones you use to clean keyboards and computer stuff. Turn the can upside down and it will spray out a mist if extremely cold liquid and evaporate really quickly leaving whatever surface you just sprayed icccce cold.
I had a case of that with me Daft. Hey can you host two videos?

I'm waiting on Divexxtreme results from the drags. When is he going?

I'm waiting on Divexxtreme results from the drags. When is he going?
I think he is going in two weeks.

I think he is going in two weeks.

awesome :thumbsup:

I think he is going in two weeks.
Thanks for the reply earlier. What ever happened with us trying to get a group together on the east to rent out your track? I know with all these guys on this forum we can make it happen.

Yep, Nov 5th. But my times or trap speed won't touch Lee's. I have no doubts about that.


I'm waiting on Divexxtreme results from the drags. When is he going?

someone please host these vids...

Yep, Nov 5th. But my times or trap speed won't touch Lee's. I have no doubts about that.

What track are you testing at?

Yep, Nov 5th. But my times or trap speed won't touch Lee's. I have no doubts about that.
Scott you never know. I'm sure it will run great.

I merged the 'Speed record' thread into this one, since they are both related.

I merged the 'Speed record' thread into this one, since they are both related.
You, you are good.

Well that was the reaction I was hoping for.. instead of... OMFG You fuked my thread up! :D

Scott, why would your trap speed be lower? If trap speed is mostly just a function of power, well you have many more mods than Lee. In that case, I would think your traps should be similar, if not higher for you. Now the ETs are a different story :beer:

Nice!
Apparently my message has to be more than 10 characters so heres your 10+ characters...

Nick, remember..my car started out trapping only 103.3 mph when stock. Lee's started out trapping 107. He's now trapping 111 mph. Even though I'm making much more than I was...I seriously doubt it's enough to give me 8 more MPH in trap speed. There's really no possible way it is.

Now can you please host my vid.:D


Scott, why would your trap speed be lower? If trap speed is mostly just a function of power, well you have many more mods than Lee. In that case, I would think your traps should be similar, if not higher for you. Now the ETs are a different story :beer:

Nick, remember..my car started out trapping only 103.3 mph when stock. Lee's started out trapping 107. He's now trapping 111 mph. Even though I'm making much more than I was...I seriously doubt it's enough to give me 8 more MPH in trap speed. There's really no possible way it is.

Now can you please host my vid.:D


Ah, I see. I sent you a PM about hosting.

Nick, remember..my car started out trapping only 103.3 mph when stock. Lee's started out trapping 107. He's now trapping 111 mph. Even though I'm making much more than I was...I seriously doubt it's enough to give me 8 more MPH in trap speed. There's really no possible way it is.

Now can you please host my vid.:D

New times ??

By the way, what's the best thing to do to avoid wheel hop when dragging? I was getting some nasty wheel hop the other night.

Sort of. Better mph, same et. But the video is nice and close. I had wayne right on the starting line with the camera.

By the way, what's the best thing to do to avoid wheel hop when dragging? I was getting some nasty wheel hop the other night.
Its all in the clutch. You have to feed the right amount of throttle while coming off the clutch just right. When the video is up listen to the motors of both cars and you will get it.

Yep, Nov 5th. But my times or trap speed won't touch Lee's. I have no doubts about that.
Where are you from Mr. Divexx?

Virginia. Not too far from you.

Its all in the clutch. You have to feed the right amount of throttle while coming off the clutch just right. When the video is up listen to the motors of both cars and you will get it.

Do you mash the gas as you come off the clutch or wait until it starts locking to do that? I pretty much just drop clutch and go. I am just worried about glazing the clutch real bad up there, but I guess our unit is pretty strong. Your runs are awesome!

Virginia. Not too far from you.
aah I see I see. I thought you might have been a little closer from reading your posts addressing Lee. I was hoping that I could check out your ride at the NJ E-town drag strip here. Your car is awesome!

Have you ever visited Mr. Trevor in Fairfax?

If you show up at Atco in a couple weeks..you'll probably see me there with Lee and some other guys (if we end up getting the track).

I haven't met Trevor yet...but I'm sure we'll run into each other one of these days.:D


aah I see I see. I thought you might have been a little closer from reading your posts addressing Lee. I was hoping that I could check out your ride at the NJ E-town drag strip here. Your car is awesome!

Have you ever visited Mr. Trevor in Fairfax?

If you show up at Atco in a couple weeks..you'll probably see me there with Lee and some other guys (if we end up getting the track).

I haven't met Trevor yet...but I'm sure we'll run into each other one of these days.:D
Where's Atco at? Is that the track you guys are supposed to rent out for a day?

Now I'm starting to dislike the fact that I don't have my car yet. And I was doing so good!

Where's Atco at? Is that the track you guys are supposed to rent out for a day?

Now I'm starting to dislike the fact that I don't have my car yet. And I was doing so good!
Its in south jersey. Not to worry they are open almost all year.

Do you mash the gas as you come off the clutch or wait until it starts locking to do that? I pretty much just drop clutch and go. I am just worried about glazing the clutch real bad up there, but I guess our unit is pretty strong. Your runs are awesome!

you would need to take the slack of the clutch before launch, with the engine revved; so, with the slack taken out, you never drop the clutch, just release it while you press the gas. Release the clutch quick, don't burn it out :dance:

you would need to take the slack of the clutch before launch, with the engine revved; so, with the slack taken out, you never drop the clutch, just release it while you press the gas. Release the clutch quick, don't burn it out :dance:

Yeah, I really need a clutch stop. It's going to be tough to take the slack out without rolling past the staging light accidentally. Then my run is hosed...

Yeah, I really need a clutch stop. It's going to be tough to take the slack out without rolling past the staging light accidentally. Then my run is hosed...
Just put the clutch to the floor and bring it up when you launch.

Just put the clutch to the floor and bring it up when you launch.
Ummmm, wanna go into a little more detail on that one? LOL

Ummmm, wanna go into a little more detail on that one? LOL:haha: Drop it like it's hot :D

Ummmm, wanna go into a little more detail on that one? LOL
Keep it simple is what I'm saying. You don't need to hold the clutch just below where it engages.

Every drag racing expert that races manuals that ive talked to say not to just dump the clutch...

Every drag racing expert that races manuals that ive talked to say not to just dump the clutch...
If the trans and rear are bullet proof and traction is not an issue then rev it to the moon and dump it. In our cars a clutch dump will get you lots of wheel hop or break some parts.

If the trans and rear are bullet proof and traction is not an issue
No such thing exists...

No such thing exists...
This is a 7200 rpm launch with a 7500 rpm red line. No wheel spin and nothing laying on the track after the run.

What would you consider the weakest link of the stock setup Lee? My guess would be the clutch. The tranny is made for the M5 so it can take the power and the diff and half shafts seem to be pretty robust. In my old S2000, the fear was always shreading the diff and/or breaking the half shafts.

When I find it I let you know. The half shafts are the first to go I think. I think the stock clutch is great. Mine is holding up fine.

What would you consider the weakest link of the stock setup Lee? My guess would be the clutch. The tranny is made for the M5 so it can take the power and the diff and half shafts seem to be pretty robust. In my old S2000, the fear was always shreading the diff and/or breaking the half shafts.


Yep. If you removed that CDV, then your weakest link may not be the clutch, it would be the tranny and BMW says your warranty is gone if you remove it...

Matthews....did you remove your CDV?

No. Do I have one? My car is a 2002 but the trans was replaced last year.

This is a 7200 rpm launch with a 7500 rpm red line. No wheel spin and nothing laying on the track after the run.
Yes its possible, but not reliable. Eventually something gives.....making it no longer buller proof

AND PS-pulling the front end up that high is not a very efficient suspension setup

If the car never sees the street, and only the track, then the suspension would be just fine....

If the car never sees the street, and only the track, then the suspension would be just fine....
Thats not what im talking about. Im talking about all of the energy he is wasting that could go into his ET

Thats not what im talking about. Im talking about all of the energy he is wasting that could go into his ET
If the wheels up lets the car achieve 100% hook than I'll take it. I had 1.31 60' times in that car. If I could have it leave with the wheels 6 inches off the ground I would but on a marginal hooking track I would have little hook.

Watch an NHRA super stock car. It leaves just like that and those guys will hook in a car wash.

Thats not what im talking about. Im talking about all of the energy he is wasting that could go into his ET

I hate to point out the obvious, but you are talking to the undisputed resident expert at drag racing. I don't think he needs advice on getting down the track quickly. Look at his sig picture.

Watch an NHRA super stock car. It leaves just like that and those guys will hook in a car wash.
Ive never watched NHRA superstock.

But I do know the most effective way tolaunch a car is for the front end to raise off the ground 1-2 or so feet. In that picture your pulling it way higher than that which is just wasting energy that could be used to get you down the track quicker.

Ive never watched NHRA superstock.

But I do know the most effective way tolaunch a car is for the front end to raise off the ground 1-2 or so feet. In that picture your pulling it way higher than that which is just wasting energy that could be used to get you down the track quicker.
I pop wheelies with that shit. I drive it silly..SILLY!!

LOL...

Let me clue you in to a few facts (please correct any mistakes I may make Lee):

-The guy you are talking too (Lee-AKA Mathews) had the fastest 5.0 Mustang in the nation in the late 80's (that's him in the pic pulling the wheelie).

-He gets phone calls from the editors of Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords to come to the track with them and drag cars. They do this because of his skills. The last time they called you was when?

-He and his M3 have been featured in an issue of MM&FF in a shoot-out against a Cobra.

-He currently has the *fastest verifiable E46 M3 1/4 mile times on the planet*.

You really need to stop arguing and learn.

Heck...next thing you know you're going to try and teach me the best way to disarm a bomb.:roll:


Thats not what im talking about. Im talking about all of the energy he is wasting that could go into his ET

LOL...

Let me clue you in to a few facts (please correct any mistakes I may make Lee):

-The guy you are talking too (Lee-AKA Mathews) had the fastest Mustang in the nation in the late 80's(that's him in the pic pulling the wheelie).

-He gets phone calls from the editors of Muscle Mustang and Fast Fords to come to the track with them and drag cars. They do this because of his skills.

-He and his M3 have been featured in an issue of MM&FF in a shoot-out against a Cobra.

-He currently has the fastest verifiable E46 M3 times on the planet.

You really need to stop arguing and learn.

Heck..nectthing you know you're going to try and teach me a better way to disarm a bomb.:rolleyes:
I know of Lee's accomplishments. Now stop being his tool and let him fend for himself... :peace:

I dont doubt his drag racing skill, this is merely about the most efficent way to launch a high hp car

I know of Lee's accomplishments. Now stop being his tool and let him fend for himself...
Lee's a celebrity, and us peons will fend for him. He needs not waste his energy typing.

The only tool is you, vaio. You've made that perfectly clear by your posts in this thread. Lee is far too modest and polite to come right out and tell you don't know sh1t so you should shut the fuk up and learn before speaking...but I personally have no problem telling you that.


I know of Lee's accomplishments. Now stop being his tool and let him fend for himself...

God forbid someone ever doubt someone!
Good god your right, i should just trust everything everyone says!

So me doubting someone about their method makes me a tool how again? :???:

Nope. Just the experts that have accomplishments to actually back up what they say. That's why they're referred to as "experts".


God forbid someone ever doubt someone!
Good god your right, i should just trust everything everyone says!

I guess the same way I became a tool for telling you about Lee's accomplishments. You said it first..not me.

So me doubting someone about their method makes me a tool how again? :???:

A fail to see how im a tool since noone else is on my side?

Heck...next thing you know you're going to try and teach me the best way to disarm a bomb.:roll:

Or he might try to teach me how to build one :whistle:

Neither of us are tools. I shouldn't have went off on you like that. Just sticking up for a buddy and his accomplishments. My apologies.

A fail to see how im a tool since noone else is on my side?

A fail to see how im a tool since noone else is on my side?

You're missing the point. Would you walk up to Michael Jordan and give him advice on how to make a jump shot? I doubt it. Same applies here. Fact is, Lee is a ridiculously good drag racer and he doesn't need advice. You should do more listening.

Now as for the piss fest going on, let's see if we can go back to talking about cars. :chair:

Now as for the piss fest going on, let's see if we can go back to talking about cars. :chair:
:pee: ;) :peace:

"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"

:bullhorn: Heel, Heel, Heel.... :bow:


:D

I dont like where this ended up. Friends everyone?

haha man lee's such a nice guy :p