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Confirmed as of here: http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/05/22/confimed-new-bmw-m3-and-m4-powered-by-inline-six-engine/
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View Full Version : The Inline 6 Cylinder is back! babystat Tue, May-22-2012, 04:04:01 PM Confirmed as of here: http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/05/22/confimed-new-bmw-m3-and-m4-powered-by-inline-six-engine/ lucad2 Tue, May-22-2012, 04:07:28 PM Inline 6 :drool: All they need to do now is throw away the turbo Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk MSpeedAddict Tue, May-22-2012, 04:33:11 PM Thank god FAN_F1 Tue, May-22-2012, 04:45:30 PM Welcome back...Old Friend IHatePosers Tue, May-22-2012, 05:50:00 PM throw away the turdbro M///Fanatic Tue, May-22-2012, 06:16:19 PM Amen! kaiv Tue, May-22-2012, 07:52:53 PM One thing for sure: It'll never sound as good as the V8 :parrot: Law Tue, May-22-2012, 08:11:17 PM that's great news, although i can't get over the new coupe's "M4" moniker Busabos77 Tue, May-22-2012, 08:19:28 PM http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FoRmqsy9xPQ/TvL69WRUDgI/AAAAAAAAAVQ/iEXTtqYERVY/s1600/Yes-Man.jpg natty99 Tue, May-22-2012, 10:13:18 PM I'll believe it when I see it anti-roll Tue, May-22-2012, 10:40:23 PM YES!!! Count me in. kueks29 Wed, May-23-2012, 04:58:19 AM I'll believe it when I see itThe way I go with you ;) ... because what I saw did not look like an I6 ;) Teutonic Wed, May-23-2012, 11:05:07 AM The way I go with you ;) ... because what I saw did not look like an I6 ;) Darf man fragen woher du die Infos hast? Arbeitest du bei BMW? :) kueks29 Wed, May-23-2012, 11:54:09 AM Darf man fragen woher du die Infos hast? Arbeitest du bei BMW? :)Antwort darauf nur per PN ;) lucad2 Wed, May-23-2012, 02:34:40 PM Antwort darauf nur per PN ;) Darf man fragen woher du die Infos hast? Arbeitest du bei BMW? :) :shifty: Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk m3fftl Wed, May-23-2012, 03:06:26 PM da **** is the m4? ZkansasZ Wed, May-23-2012, 08:20:43 PM da **** is the m4? Das M4 ist die neuere und bessere Schwester des M3, scheinbar :raspberry: anti-roll Wed, May-23-2012, 09:10:24 PM Das M4 ist scheisse. DtoF Wed, May-23-2012, 10:31:53 PM :shifty::sleeping: ATBEcstacy Thu, May-24-2012, 03:01:40 PM Das M4 ist scheisse. :lolhit: Gary Powers Fri, May-25-2012, 12:01:51 AM Da M4 ist ein schweinhund aus einem namen rave426 Fri, May-25-2012, 05:26:11 PM Do not be a version of the N55 or N54 kueks29 Sat, May-26-2012, 04:14:28 AM Do not be a version of the N55 or N54I would bet on the S65 as a basis ;) kaiv Sat, May-26-2012, 04:28:10 AM NA V8 FTW :taser: StevoTheHobo Sat, May-26-2012, 02:36:30 PM Yay for inline-6. Not that the S65B40 isn't a complete beast though. Unfortunately, turbos are inevitable in times like these unless you're willing to go super-light weight. aongch Sat, May-26-2012, 04:17:23 PM Hoping for this I-6 to be beefy enough to handle the huge tuning potential of turbo upgrades. lucky_doggg7 Sat, May-26-2012, 05:46:51 PM OK then, it sounds like BMW has been paying attention to HPF (maybe, maybe not), seen what a blown straight 6 can do in an E46M, and then some engineer says great, now stuff that into the next gen M3. There, done. kaiv Sun, May-27-2012, 02:46:59 AM Hoping for this I-6 to be beefy enough to handle the huge tuning potential of turbo upgrades. :thumbsup2: I have faith in BMW that the engine itself will be stout. I think BMW learned a couple things from the E46 M3 and the 335i. The V8 of the current M3 is pretty much bullet proof and uses regular oil pressure for the vanos system (no pump, no hub, no tabs etc). Also the 335's HPFP issues will hopefully be a thing of the past. I'm thinking if they make an FI M3 motor it will be very solid! kueks29 Sun, May-27-2012, 09:38:06 AM I know from the Apollo-engine of 500 hp was fixed to the test ;) Obioban Sun, May-27-2012, 12:43:02 PM OK then, it sounds like BMW has been paying attention to HPF (maybe, maybe not), seen what a blown straight 6 can do in an E46M Blow up engines? MSpeedAddict Sun, May-27-2012, 02:10:22 PM Blow up engines? :lolhit: ///Molar Mon, May-28-2012, 07:36:10 AM That's great news that it'll be an inline 6 again. The turbo? Will have to wait and see what happens with that. Regardless, it's always smart to wait it out a few years so BMW can work out the kinks. wayoutwestjimmy Mon, May-28-2012, 10:24:06 AM i am a big fan of bmw motorsport inline 6 engines, and a big fan of turbo charged bmw inline 6 engines. I'd am quite pleased with the news of a new conservative ///M 3.0TT I6 but for the apollo twin turbo v6 m3 on hold or in the scrap bin..... i can only think, f#$% what if???? maybe bmw should drop it (V6TT) into a lmitied edition run of coupes just to cover all bases! mentroc Sat, Jun-02-2012, 03:13:13 AM the new I6TT for the m3 should be a beast at 450hp InSaNe///M3 Mon, Jun-04-2012, 09:43:10 AM Count me in. I love the raspy tone of my E46 M3, and was hesitant of even looking at the E92 due to the big V8. Hopefully, BMW will retain some of the qualities that was found in previous generation M3's and just add a few turbos to keep up with the competition. I guess it comes down to the way it looks now. rave426 Mon, Jun-04-2012, 05:46:29 PM I'm not convinced BMW has learned anything from HPF...you know especially since if I recall BMW designed one of the most impressive Turbo Forumla 1 engines to date. jus saying Obioban Mon, Jun-04-2012, 05:54:07 PM Agree. Just watched how HPF rebuilds the s54 for 1000 rwhp last night on YouTube. Very impressive. I think BMW could learn a lot from this process if they haven't already. Even though they aren't looking to throw down 1000 rwhp they should build them like this for longevity. Watch all 4 parts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRAnBgQ_B7M&feature=endscreen&NR=1 HPF's engine builds are seriously shit; you're being sucked into their PR material. I'm confident BMW hasn't learned a single thing from them. Here's a fun counter video for you to watch: Marcus's block.wmv - YouTube thejaff Mon, Jun-04-2012, 06:40:45 PM I'm glad to see an I6TT. In cars I've driven, both the I6 and Turbos are fun... I can only imagine how much fun the combo will be. Note: I haven't driven a 335 yet. kaiv Tue, Jun-05-2012, 02:19:36 AM Count me in. I love the raspy tone of my E46 M3, and was hesitant of even looking at the E92 due to the big V8. I don't mean to discuss semantics but at 4 liters of displacement, the S65 is hardly "big". And if you meant physical size and it's lighter and more compact than the S54. flipm3 Tue, Jun-05-2012, 02:45:16 AM Hmmmm....this might be interesting to add to the collection. This could potentially be my first turbo car. This would be a fun graduation gift to myself after what feels like a million years of school...haha I just really dislike that M4 name...Sedan it is!!!! :shiftdriv :rulaiz: Apexi7 Tue, Jun-05-2012, 04:01:57 AM HPF's engine builds are seriously shit; you're being sucked into their PR material. I'm confident BMW hasn't learned a single thing from them. Here's a fun counter video for you to watch: Marcus's block.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Q2G2TL47U) Wow! Watching the Marcus's block vid I have deleted my post and I'm retracing my previous premature statement. I did get sucked into HPF video production. I should have known better because before that I watched "Fallon LEARNS TO DRIVE A MANUAL on the 900rwhp HPF M3" and it was pretty obvious it was B.S. and like you said "their PR material" / sales gimmick. m3e46freak Wed, Jun-06-2012, 12:46:42 AM Da M4 ist ein schweinhund aus einem namen nicht alle sprechen duetsch kueks29 Wed, Jun-06-2012, 05:03:05 AM nicht alle sprechen duetsch That's right! But no matter what language, I still bet against a I6! ;) drunk hal Wed, Jun-06-2012, 01:44:34 PM will they be using the I6 from the regular 3-series? username11 Wed, Jun-06-2012, 05:50:51 PM I think the E9X M3 represents the end of an era. The car was developed during a time of significantly greater economic prosperity and optimism than we live in now. I own both a E92 M3 and a E46 M3 and I enjoy both. But the improvements made to the E92 M3 are astounding and undeniable. BMW managed to create a car that was better in every conceivable way while seemingly sacrificing nothing versus its predecessor. It's faster, yet it's more comfortable. It feels close to a purpose built sports car, but it's easier to drive on the highway. It even feels, in terms of fit and finish and build quality, to be of significantly higher quality and seems to have achieved bulletproof reliability. And the sounds it makes -- shifting out of 2nd at 8400rpm, are unreal and unequaled at anywhere near its price. BMW created a one-off engine for a single car, the M3 and created a car that shared very few parts with the 335. I love the comments from guys who claim the 335 and the M3 are the same -- clearly have never driven the M3. The M3 and the 335 feel wildly different (and are something like 80% different in terms of parts), and I suspect this great divide will be lost with the next generation as dismal economic forecasts force parts sharing across the line-up. I don't think we'll see the kind of cost vs. production ratio past the E9X M3. I'm sure the next M3 will be wonderful (in fact, I plan to do ED of a coupe in 2014), but I'm definitely glad to have experienced the E9X for what it represents. flipm3 Wed, Jun-06-2012, 05:56:50 PM I think the E9X M3 represents the end of an era. The car was developed during a time of significantly greater economic prosperity and optimism than we live in now. I own both a E92 M3 and a E46 M3 and I enjoy both. But the improvements made to the E92 M3 are astounding and undeniable. BMW managed to create a car that was better in every conceivable way while seemingly sacrificing nothing versus its predecessor. It's faster, yet it's more comfortable. It feels close to a purpose built sports car, but it's easier to drive on the highway. It even feels, in terms of fit and finish and build quality, to be of significantly higher quality and seems to have achieved bulletproof reliability. And the sounds it makes -- shifting out of 2nd at 8400rpm, are unreal and unequaled at anywhere near its price. BMW created a one-off engine for a single car, the M3 and created a car that shared very few parts with the 335. I love the comments from guys who claim the 335 and the M3 are the same -- clearly have never driven the M3. The M3 and the 335 feel wildly different (and are something like 80% different in terms of parts), and I suspect this great divide will be lost with the next generation as dismal economic forecasts force parts sharing across the line-up. I don't think we'll see the kind of cost vs. production ratio past the E9X M3. I'm sure the next M3 will be wonderful (in fact, I plan to do ED of a coupe in 2014), but I'm definitely glad to have experienced the E9X for what it represents. Extremely well said. I could not have agreed anymore. There is a reason why I plan to keep my E90 M3 pretty much stock. It's the first car that I've driven off the lot of a dealership feeling like it's nearly perfect. :thumbsup2: With that said, I really hope BMW makes an I-6 Turbo engine that is unique to the M3/M4. I would appreciate it if it wasn't an N55 or N54 because it will just help separate it from the rest. foolio Wed, Jun-06-2012, 10:39:36 PM My question is why is something on "bmwblog" being considered as an accurate source of information? Is it because they wrote "confirmed" in the title of the article? Hell, the M4 moniker has been thrown around since the e46 and that has yet to happen. I'm going to wait until I see what's on bmw.com or in my dealership before I believe anything. Even the Photoshop they used is horrible. It's like they didn't even try...take an e92, change the lights, put a fugly front spoiler on it and done. kaiv Thu, Jun-07-2012, 12:00:31 AM I own both a E92 M3 and a E46 M3 and I enjoy both. But the improvements made to the E92 M3 are astounding and undeniable. BMW managed to create a car that was better in every conceivable way while seemingly sacrificing nothing versus its predecessor. It's faster, yet it's more comfortable. It feels close to a purpose built sports car, but it's easier to drive on the highway. It even feels, in terms of fit and finish and build quality, to be of significantly higher quality and seems to have achieved bulletproof reliability. And the sounds it makes -- shifting out of 2nd at 8400rpm, are unreal and unequaled at anywhere near its price. Truer words could not be spoken! :thumbsup2: Uli_HH Thu, Jun-07-2012, 11:14:39 AM Extremely well said. I could not have agreed anymore. There is a reason why I plan to keep my E90 M3 pretty much stock. It's the first car that I've driven off the lot of a dealership feeling like it's nearly perfect. :thumbsup2: +1 With that said, I really hope BMW makes an I-6 Turbo engine that is unique to the M3/M4. I would appreciate it if it wasn't an N55 or N54 because it will just help separate it from the rest. Thatīs not completly correct ... there is an engine developed by the M-GmbH exclusivly and unique for the new F80M3/F82M4, but thats isnīt an I-6, but an V-6 BiTurbo ... the also developed (by the BMW AG because of cost issues!) I-6 Turbo is an AG based - most probably on the N55-successor - and only lightly modified Engine. drunk hal Thu, Jun-07-2012, 01:55:00 PM Even the Photoshop they used is horrible. It's like they didn't even try...take an e92, change the lights, put a fugly front spoiler on it and done. True, but at the same time the F30 really isn't that much of an aesthetic departure from the E90 imo. Ignoring the front/rear bumpers they both have a very similar shape. HBspeed Fri, Jun-08-2012, 12:03:14 AM I think the E9X M3 represents the end of an era. The car was developed during a time of significantly greater economic prosperity and optimism than we live in now. I own both a E92 M3 and a E46 M3 and I enjoy both. But the improvements made to the E92 M3 are astounding and undeniable. BMW managed to create a car that was better in every conceivable way while seemingly sacrificing nothing versus its predecessor. It's faster, yet it's more comfortable. It feels close to a purpose built sports car, but it's easier to drive on the highway. It even feels, in terms of fit and finish and build quality, to be of significantly higher quality and seems to have achieved bulletproof reliability. And the sounds it makes -- shifting out of 2nd at 8400rpm, are unreal and unequaled at anywhere near its price. BMW created a one-off engine for a single car, the M3 and created a car that shared very few parts with the 335. I love the comments from guys who claim the 335 and the M3 are the same -- clearly have never driven the M3. The M3 and the 335 feel wildly different (and are something like 80% different in terms of parts), and I suspect this great divide will be lost with the next generation as dismal economic forecasts force parts sharing across the line-up. I don't think we'll see the kind of cost vs. production ratio past the E9X M3. I'm sure the next M3 will be wonderful (in fact, I plan to do ED of a coupe in 2014), but I'm definitely glad to have experienced the E9X for what it represents. That's a good write up that almost makes me want to change my opinion on the E92.:lolhit: It's obviously an incredible car, but its really not the same kind of car as the E46 in some ways. I think if it as if the E46 M3 is the ultimate compromise of still feeling like a sports car, but also being very streetable and a nice luxury car to be in. The E30 is a race car basically, and the US E36 is still lighter and sporty but really quite unspecial compared to all other M3's. The E92 on the other hand I think of as the perfect M6. It is more comfy and streetable than the E46, and also faster and bigger. It is less flashy (lack of fender flares in the rear for example), more upscale, less raw, less boyracer. Sounds like the mission of the M6 to me. Obviously this is all relative to what you think was/is the sweet spot for an M3. Many like myself see the E46 as the sweet spot where the previous were not soft enough (E30 & E36), and the following was to soft (E92). The E92 went just a bit too far, and lost too much of the raw sportscar nature of previous M3's for me. Thus I don't really consider it an M3. The 1M is this generation's M3 as far as I'm concerned, as the M3 has always been the sportiest variant of the smallest sedan BMW makes. The E92 It is the best M6 ever though... much better than that boat of an M8 that says M6 on it.:shifty: Zzzsleeperzzz Tue, Jun-12-2012, 07:58:30 AM Inline engines.....'nuff said Obioban Tue, Jun-12-2012, 11:50:34 AM That's a good write up that almost makes me want to change my opinion on the E92.:lolhit: It's obviously an incredible car, but its really not the same kind of car as the E46 in some ways. I think if it as if the E46 M3 is the ultimate compromise of still feeling like a sports car, but also being very streetable and a nice luxury car to be in. The E30 is a race car basically, and the US E36 is still lighter and sporty but really quite unspecial compared to all other M3's. The E92 on the other hand I think of as the perfect M6. It is more comfy and streetable than the E46, and also faster and bigger. It is less flashy (lack of fender flares in the rear for example), more upscale, less raw, less boyracer. Sounds like the mission of the M6 to me. Obviously this is all relative to what you think was/is the sweet spot for an M3. Many like myself see the E46 as the sweet spot where the previous were not soft enough (E30 & E36), and the following was to soft (E92). The E92 went just a bit too far, and lost too much of the raw sportscar nature of previous M3's for me. Thus I don't really consider it an M3. The 1M is this generation's M3 as far as I'm concerned, as the M3 has always been the sportiest variant of the smallest sedan BMW makes. The E92 It is the best M6 ever though... much better than that boat of an M8 that says M6 on it.:shifty: This is 100% how I feel, but it certainly is to the individuals taste where that sweet spot is. I do believe that if we got the full euro spec e36 M3, that would have been a much more tempting sweet spot! SYT_Shadow Tue, Jun-12-2012, 02:06:09 PM One thing for sure: It'll never sound as good as the V8 :parrot: It'll never sound as good as any M NA engine... POS turbo engines sound like vacuum cleaners, every single one, from a MPC12 to a Porsche Turbo S... I'm surprised they aren't going for a V6. I mean I prefer a V6 NA to a turbo I6 and it wouldn't be any more disappointing than what they're doing here. For the number of M3s they sell they really could just leave the NA engine. It will have a negligible effect on CAFE. M3_MANN Tue, Jun-12-2012, 06:10:19 PM Da M4 ist ein schweinhund aus einem namen The M4 is an pig ass eminem name? :clueless: BlackLight Tue, Jun-12-2012, 10:31:08 PM The M4 is an pig ass eminem name? :clueless: Let me try, highschool was a long time ago... :kittyshifty: The M4 is a pigdog starting with its name. The M4 is a pigdog befitting its name. lucad2 Tue, Jun-12-2012, 10:45:20 PM This is 100% how I feel, but it certainly is to the individuals taste where that sweet spot is. I do believe that if we got the full euro spec e36 M3, that would have been a much more tempting sweet spot! Your sig :drool: hammerfang Sat, Jun-16-2012, 04:53:17 PM This is 100% how I feel, but it certainly is to the individuals taste where that sweet spot is. I do believe that if we got the full euro spec e36 M3, that would have been a much more tempting sweet spot! I suspect that once the Euro-spec E36 M3 reaches the 25 year old mark we will see quite a few become imported to the US, that is what I dream of doing in the future. Obioban Sat, Jun-16-2012, 05:13:32 PM I suspect that once the Euro-spec E36 M3 reaches the 25 year old mark we will see quite a few become imported to the US, that is what I dream of doing in the future. Personally I'd want at least an evo, which means 1996+.... 2021 isn't that soon! I honestly think I will import a CSL in 2028. hammerfang Mon, Jun-18-2012, 12:22:43 AM Personally I'd want at least an evo, which means 1996+.... 2021 isn't that soon! I honestly think I will import a CSL in 2028. Just gives you more time to save... meccanoble Mon, Jun-18-2012, 02:33:26 PM Didnt read through all the pages but I see a lot of hate for FI on the new M. I agree a non turbo inline 6 is what made the M3 so special all these years but times have changed and everyone is cheating with FI. The e46 seems to have pushed the limit on a 6 cylinder. Only other option I can see is making the new M with the biggest 6 cylinder (3.8L?) but even that size wont bring the M up to 400 horses which is considered low for today's flagship sports car. Unless the M is the lightest ever with an even higher rev option, how can it compete without FI? stevethecurse Mon, Jun-18-2012, 08:21:54 PM I agree. At first I was against it, I got the feeling they were just jumping on the FI bandwagon and was afraid it would become a muscle car and lose the sweet balance we all know and love. I'd love if they could retain some nostalgia and go with an NA straight 6, but it just can't compete with the power of FI and if they want to stay competitive in the market, they have to be in the same ballpark of power their direct competitors are making. They know what they're doing and they know what people expect from the M3 badge, so I remain confident that BMW engineers will put out a great car. I'm feeling pretty hopeful about the electric turbo that they've been talking about. If they can make that work and completely eliminate lag, I think we will have another truly amazing M3 on our hands. FI power with NA responsiveness and predictability. What I DON'T like is what I'm hearing about the 3 only being a sedan and changing the coupe to the 4 series. I don't really get what that solves. ianmason Tue, Jun-19-2012, 02:33:30 PM Didnt read through all the pages but I see a lot of hate for FI on the new M. I agree a non turbo inline 6 is what made the M3 so special all these years but times have changed and everyone is cheating with FI. The e46 seems to have pushed the limit on a 6 cylinder. Only other option I can see is making the new M with the biggest 6 cylinder (3.8L?) but even that size wont bring the M up to 400 horses which is considered low for today's flagship sports car. Unless the M is the lightest ever with an even higher rev option, how can it compete without FI? It's not going FI to compete powerwise, it's about maximizing efficiency now a days. If they only cared about power, they could keep the 4.4L out of the GTS, with some tweaking and have well over 450hp NA. Except it will get 14mpg. That's no good these days. stevethecurse Tue, Jun-19-2012, 05:44:47 PM It's not going FI to compete powerwise, it's about maximizing efficiency now a days. If they only cared about power, they could keep the 4.4L out of the GTS, with some tweaking and have well over 450hp NA. Except it will get 14mpg. That's no good these days. I kind of get that, but at the same time, who buys an M3 for its fuel economy? If you want to save on gas, get a Prius. Also, good luck replicating the EPA numbers they post in ads. To make those numbers, you need to keep the car out of boost, which frankly doesn't sound very fun. Whats the point of having 450 turbo HP if you're gonna stay out of boost? In realistic driving, I think the fuel economy is negligible between FI and NA unless the car gets an 8 speed automatic trans like my moms A4 (which still doesn't match the claimed EPA numbers).:thumbsdown: meccanoble Wed, Jun-20-2012, 02:30:50 AM I kind of get that, but at the same time, who buys an M3 for its fuel economy? If you want to save on gas, get a Prius. Also, good luck replicating the EPA numbers they post in ads. To make those numbers, you need to keep the car out of boost, which frankly doesn't sound very fun. Whats the point of having 450 turbo HP if you're gonna stay out of boost? In realistic driving, I think the fuel economy is negligible between FI and NA unless the car gets an 8 speed automatic trans like my moms A4 (which still doesn't match the claimed EPA numbers).:thumbsdown: I agree but I do feel fuel economy brought a thought into the design. At the same time, a V8 cant compete with a boosted 6. Its not only about peak #'s but the curve. After seeing the success that the 335 had, the 1M, and other M's with boost, this should have been an easy trend catch for us. All I think about is max torque @ 1800 rpm. How can a non FI engine compete with that? Now that I think about it, N/A wasnt the main attribute that made the M so special. It was the consistent high revs (vtec?). Although it sounds contradicting, if the new M could have boost with full power/tq at a low rpm and maintain till a higher rpm than the current M (sounds impossible), I think everyone would be happy. ianmason Wed, Jun-20-2012, 02:18:53 PM Well fuel economy should be considered in any car that is marketed as an every day car, which an M3 falls under. The problem I see from it, is if there is a huge bottom end, then the power tapers up top, if you make the turbos keep up all the way up the rev range, then low power will suffer. My 335 feels a bit like that. Sort of runs out of breath up top. Still revs to 7200 rpms, but there is little need to bring it there. But BMW knows how to make these cars, they won't change the character that much. Read any review of the M5 and 1M, no one really mentions lag or it puttering out up high. stevethecurse Wed, Jun-20-2012, 02:19:26 PM I agree but I do feel fuel economy brought a thought into the design. At the same time, a V8 cant compete with a boosted 6. Its not only about peak #'s but the curve. After seeing the success that the 335 had, the 1M, and other M's with boost, this should have been an easy trend catch for us. All I think about is max torque @ 1800 rpm. How can a non FI engine compete with that? Now that I think about it, N/A wasnt the main attribute that made the M so special. It was the consistent high revs (vtec?). Although it sounds contradicting, if the new M could have boost with full power/tq at a low rpm and maintain till a higher rpm than the current M (sounds impossible), I think everyone would be happy. I'm pretty confident the M division can pull that off. I'd be pretty stoked on it if they could...as long as it doesn't sound like the new M5 :shifty: CJPatel Wed, Jun-20-2012, 04:09:26 PM What will the M4 be? A low swung 4 door coupe? stevethecurse Wed, Jun-20-2012, 04:33:59 PM What will the M4 be? A low swung 4 door coupe? First things first. That Aston is stunning. Beautiful car dude. The M4 is supposedly going to be the 2 door version of the M3, with only the sedan retaining the M3 badge. :facepalm: kyle46 Wed, Jun-20-2012, 09:05:58 PM it will probably sound like a current n54 (335i) motor which is HORRIBLE! I don't see why they couldn't just add a turbo on the current v8, would have improved gas mileage and probably kept the american muscle boys at peace..v8 turbo i imagine would have been 520hp 470tq stock? with chip we could be looking at 600whp? Oh well..new technology. meccanoble Thu, Jun-21-2012, 11:38:02 AM it will probably sound like a current n54 (335i) motor which is HORRIBLE! I don't see why they couldn't just add a turbo on the current v8, would have improved gas mileage and probably kept the american muscle boys at peace..v8 turbo i imagine would have been 520hp 470tq stock? with chip we could be looking at 600whp? Oh well..new technology. wow, that would be insane and makes so much sense. M went from 4 banger to 6 and to 8. Now going back to 6 for boost?....no one would complain about a boosted 8. M3 has 4 doors and M4 has 2 doors. WTF? Makes more sense if the M3 had 2 doors and M4 (4???) has 4 doors? No idea why it even needs a new name change. There should be a bigger difference than door difference for it to be badged differently, considering previous M3's had 2 and 4 door options.... a tri turbo would be a great resolution to your average car turbo weakness. 2 turbo's start off like other cars usually do and an electric turbo that kicks in after a certain rpm to improve power at the higher rpm's. Similar to how the porshe wing goes up after 80 mph, let the 3rd electric controlled turbo kick in after like 60 rpms, and throw a 9 or 9.5k rev on that bad boy. Eureka, I think I found out what is about to happen! ASC FTL Thu, Jul-26-2012, 11:22:19 AM Straight six is a better, more efficient configuration than 90 degree v8, or a 60 degree v6. Fi is a good thing too - increases volumetric efficiency. Anyway even Ray Charles saw a turbo i6 coming. Why would they bother designing an all-new and inferior configuration like a V6??? Crazy! Also we knew that all BMWs will be FI for a long time now. So all includes the M3 :) ASC FTL Thu, Jul-26-2012, 11:22:52 AM I mean I prefer a V6 NA to a turbo I6 :jawdrop: :laughhard: VwAlex Fri, Jul-27-2012, 04:52:11 AM Didnt read through all the pages but I see a lot of hate for FI on the new M. I agree a non turbo inline 6 is what made the M3 so special all these years but times have changed and everyone is cheating with FI. The e46 seems to have pushed the limit on a 6 cylinder. Only other option I can see is making the new M with the biggest 6 cylinder (3.8L?) but even that size wont bring the M up to 400 horses which is considered low for today's flagship sports car. Unless the M is the lightest ever with an even higher rev option, how can it compete without FI? What do you make of the gt3? Still n/a, still a flat six and still the top dog. A turbo m3, I might as well go Audi and have awd to help me with the torque... or just keep my e46. Alex Lipowich Fri, Jul-27-2012, 06:22:06 PM I don't mean to discuss semantics but at 4 liters of displacement, the S65 is hardly "big". And if you meant physical size and it's lighter and more compact than the S54. Does anyone know this factually? When I took S54 and S62 to the scales, there was quite a difference from the internet information that the s62 was lighter. Depending on configuration there is 75 lb or more difference favoring the S54. In terms of being more compact, it may well be shorter as a V8, but it is also wider with two cylinderheads, 4 cams and such, and a more complex oilpump system etc.... The actual block is wider, and there are a pair of heads, so volume wise, not so sure its really more compact. Surely given a flip of the coin I'd prefer the 4.0 V8, make no mistake about it. riskee Wed, Aug-01-2012, 09:32:18 AM wow, that would be insane and makes so much sense. M went from 4 banger to 6 and to 8. Now going back to 6 for boost?....no one would complain about a boosted 8. M3 has 4 doors and M4 has 2 doors. WTF? Makes more sense if the M3 had 2 doors and M4 (4???) has 4 doors? No idea why it even needs a new name change. There should be a bigger difference than door difference for it to be badged differently, considering previous M3's had 2 and 4 door options.... a tri turbo would be a great resolution to your average car turbo weakness. 2 turbo's start off like other cars usually do and an electric turbo that kicks in after a certain rpm to improve power at the higher rpm's. Similar to how the porshe wing goes up after 80 mph, let the 3rd electric controlled turbo kick in after like 60 rpms, and throw a 9 or 9.5k rev on that bad boy. Eureka, I think I found out what is about to happen! when i get this car the coupe m4 i will take the badge of and rename it a m3 like it should be |