1) What type of engine with it have? V6, inline 6? etc...
2) Single, Twin, or Tri Turbo
3) Displacement? 3.0-4.0L? etc...
4) Horsepower figures for USA spec (at the crank)
5) Weight of the car (coupe wet, according to the manual when its released)

BONUS: will the Coupe be badged an "///M4 or ///M3"


closest guess will get a special surprise..... :parrot:


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My guess is....

1) Inline 6
2) Twin turbo
3) 3.2L
4) 470HP
5) 3700 LBS.

Bonus: M3

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I think you will look very different.
What do you think of the following numbers?

BMW M3 (F80)
Weight
Net weight in kg 1415 kg EU
Gross vehicle weight kg 1865 kg
Payload kg 470 kg

Motor data (S66)
Cylinders / valves V 6/4
Displacement in cc 3296
Stroke / bore in mm 88.3 / 89
Rated power in kW (hp) at 1/min 331 (450) 6000-7200
Rated power in kW (hp) at 1/min 353 (480) 5750-7300 in the Performance Package
Max torque (Nm) at 1/min 510/1.350-6.200
Max torque (Nm) at 1/min 550/1.400-6.500 in the Performance Package
Compression: 1:10

consumption
City consumption in l/100 km 10.8
Out of town at 6.0 l/100 km
Combined in l/100 km 8,5
Combined CO2 emissions in g / km 199
Tank capacity (approx.) in 70 l

Performance
Top speed in km / h 250
Top speed in km / h 300 in the Performance Package
Acceleration 0-100 km / h in 4.3 s
Acceleration 0-100 km / h in 4.0 s in the Performance Package

1) inline 6 Diesel
2) Single Turbo
3) 3.6L
4) 450hp/450lb ft torque
5) 3600 lbs

1) Inline 6
2) Twin Turdbro
3) 3.8 L
4) 460hp , 400 tq
5) 3650 lbs

badged as M4
Let me know when I win

kueks29
are these numbers that were "leaked" from BMW? or your guess

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kueks29
are these numbers that were "leaked" from BMW? or your guess

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Let me describe it:
Some people tell many interesting novelty, when they are lured in accordance

Let me describe it:
Some people tell many interesting novelty, when they are lured in accordance

i guess this means that you extracted info from the "important people" who know something about this subject.

i guess this means that you extracted info from the "important people" who know something about this subject.
Let me put it differently:
Currently it is difficult to get information. If you ask insiders, you always get two different answers:
1) Of course it is a V6, which was derived from the S63
2) Of course it will be a R6, which was derived from N55

Now everyone has to be filtered out, what seems logical.
For my part I may believe the statements after a sign-V6, I would not!

I think you will look very different.
What do you think of the following numbers?

BMW M3 (F80)
Weight
Net weight in kg 1415 kg EU
Gross vehicle weight kg 1865 kg
Payload kg 470 kg

Motor data (S66)
Cylinders / valves V 6/4
Displacement in cc 3296
Stroke / bore in mm 88.3 / 89
Rated power in kW (hp) at 1/min 331 (450) 6000-7200
Rated power in kW (hp) at 1/min 353 (480) 5750-7300 in the Performance Package
Max torque (Nm) at 1/min 510/1.350-6.200
Max torque (Nm) at 1/min 550/1.400-6.500 in the Performance Package
Compression: 1:10

consumption
City consumption in l/100 km 10.8
Out of town at 6.0 l/100 km
Combined in l/100 km 8,5
Combined CO2 emissions in g / km 199
Tank capacity (approx.) in 70 l

Performance
Top speed in km / h 250
Top speed in km / h 300 in the Performance Package
Acceleration 0-100 km / h in 4.3 s
Acceleration 0-100 km / h in 4.0 s in the Performance Package

These number seem distrubingly accurate :hmm:

I agree with this chap.

Not sure what payload is though..

It DANG BETTER not have a v6!

I'm thinking inline 6, twin turbo, 470 horses or so. Sounds good to me!

1) Inline 6
2) Tri Turbo
3) 3.3
4) 450 / 475 with optional performance package
5) 3700 Lbs

BONUS: M4

No way it's getting 470 HP, more like 430HP. As boring as these threads are about "guessing" what the new M3/ M4s are going to be, I still have to open them.

I do have this for my prediction though: it will dilute the M brand. The last NA M3 was as far as they could take it.

1) inline 6 Diesel
2) Single Turbo
3) 3.6L
4) 450hp/450lb ft torque
5) 3600 lbs

Quoted for diesel.

I think you will look very different.
What do you think of the following numbers?

BMW M3 (F80)
Weight
Net weight in kg 1415 kg EU
Gross vehicle weight kg 1865 kg
Payload kg 470 kg

Motor data (S66)
Cylinders / valves V 6/4
Displacement in cc 3296
Stroke / bore in mm 88.3 / 89
Rated power in kW (hp) at 1/min 331 (450) 6000-7200
Rated power in kW (hp) at 1/min 353 (480) 5750-7300 in the Performance Package
Max torque (Nm) at 1/min 510/1.350-6.200
Max torque (Nm) at 1/min 550/1.400-6.500 in the Performance Package
Compression: 1:10

consumption
City consumption in l/100 km 10.8
Out of town at 6.0 l/100 km
Combined in l/100 km 8,5
Combined CO2 emissions in g / km 199
Tank capacity (approx.) in 70 l

Performance
Top speed in km / h 250
Top speed in km / h 300 in the Performance Package
Acceleration 0-100 km / h in 4.3 s
Acceleration 0-100 km / h in 4.0 s in the Performance Package

kueks29
are these numbers that were "leaked" from BMW? or your guess
.

Let me describe it:
Some people tell many interesting novelty, when they are lured in accordance

i guess this means that you extracted info from the "important people" who know something about this subject.

You're are assuming; risky business.

Let me put it differently:
Currently it is difficult to get information. If you ask insiders, you always get two different answers:
1) Of course it is a V6, which was derived from the S63
2) Of course it will be a R6, which was derived from N55

Now everyone has to be filtered out, what seems logical.
For my part I may believe the statements after a sign-V6, I would not!

The answer to the question about Kueks29's source is in the last quoted post. Difficulty in getting information leaves guesstimating based on perhaps a tidbit here or there if any tidbits of information are actually sourced from Garching employees.

The numbers in the first post are far too precise to be founded on anything that is so "difficult to get information." I'll await the official launch info from BMW as it won't make an iota of difference whether the specs are known a year or the day that the car is launched as it will still be months before purchasing one is an option. ;)

keep it coming guys.....follow the format in the first post. :dance:

1) What type of engine with it have? V6, inline 6? etc...
2) Single, Twin, or Tri Turbo
3) Displacement? 3.0-4.0L? etc...
4) Horsepower figures for USA spec (at the crank)
5) Weight of the car (coupe wet, according to the manual when its released)

BONUS: will the Coupe be badged an "///M4 or ///M3"


closest guess will get a special surprise..... :parrot:
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My guesses are:

1) V 6
2) Twin twin-scroll turbos
3) 3.3L
4) 450HP
5) 3300 LBS.

Bonus: M4

some of you guys are getting close to the latest numbers that have been published.

Some people tell many interesting novelty when they are lured in accordance.

This is one of the greatest sentences ever written.

Everything in US spec...

model: e30 -- e36 -- e46 -- e9X
power: 192 -- 240 -- 333 -- 412
torque: 155 -- 259 -- 269 -- 295
weight: 2865 - 3219 - 3415 - 3704
power difference: 48 - 97 - 79
torque difference: 104 - 10 - 26
weight difference: 354 - 196 - 289
avg power difference: 75
avg toque difference: 47
avg weight difference: 278
predicted F30 by that alone: 487 hp, 342 ft lbs, 3982 lbs

That said, likely they are going to tri turbos instead of NA, so I'd skew that in favor of more torque and less horsepower. I also think 4000 lbs would be unacceptable, even to modern BMW. So, skewing those for the times...

470 hp, 395 ft lbs, 3855 lbs.

My bet is on a triturbo inline 6.... with one of the 3 turbos being electric.


Looking at those numbers, it's easy to see why the e46 is so popular in the USA. Biggest horsepower jump, smallest weight jump.

Everything in US spec...

model: e30 -- e36 -- e46 -- e9X
power: 192 -- 240 -- 333 -- 412
torque: 155 -- 259 -- 269 -- 295
weight: 2865 - 3219 - 3415 - 3704
power difference: 48 - 97 - 79
torque difference: 104 - 10 - 26
weight difference: 354 - 196 - 289
avg power difference: 75
avg toque difference: 47
avg weight difference: 278
predicted F30 by that alone: 487 hp, 342 ft lbs, 3982 lbs

That said, likely they are going to tri turbos instead of NA, so I'd skew that in favor of more torque and less horsepower. I also think 4000 lbs would be unacceptable, even to modern BMW. So, skewing those for the times...

470 hp, 395 ft lbs, 3855 lbs.

My bet is on a triturbo inline 6.... with one of the 3 turbos being electric.


Looking at those numbers, it's easy to see why the e46 is so popular in the USA. Biggest horsepower jump, smallest weight jump.

Highly doubt the weight is going to be that high. The F30 335 is lighter than E90 335. The F30 M3 is supposed to use more aluminum and light weight material as well. My guess is that the weight would remain very much in line with E90 M3 around 3600-3700 lbs.
Also the reason E46 got such a big HP jump was because it received a proper S engine rather than detuned one. the HP difference between a euro E36 and E46 was minimal at best.

Yeah, that's why I said "in the USA". That said, don't forget that
a) the euro M3 had 286 hp when it launched in europe. It was produced over a long cycle, so the 321 hp car we fondly remember wasn't there for a long time
b) the euro e30 M3 ended up at 240 hp
c) the euro car e36, with it's iron block (unlike our S52) is heavier.

So the difference between the 30, 36, and 46 wasn't as dramatic (more spread out on both ends-- 191 to 240 to 286 to 321 to 343).

But, yes... the euro M3 was certainly a kickass car in it's day.

Highly doubt the weight is going to be that high. The F30 335 is lighter than E90 335. The F30 M3 is supposed to use more aluminum and light weight material as well. My guess is that the weight would remain very much in line with E90 M3 around 3600-3700 lbs.......


i agree, even with a small increase in HP/TQ numbers that we have been hearing for the next M3 being only 36-40HP, though a disappointing increase, would not be that bad if they kept the weight of the car the same as the E92 or increase it by 80lbs. or less

My guess is....

1) V-6
2) Twin turbo
3) 3.2L
4) 450HP/376 pound feet (Power package 480 hp/405 pound feet)
5) 3620 LBS.

Bonus: M4

My guess is....

1) V-6
2) Twin turbo
3) 3.2L
4) 450HP/376 pound feet (Power package 480 hp/405 pound feet)
5) 3620 LBS.

Bonus: M4You are not far removed from reality ;)

the biggest reason i will not complain too much if the car only gets 450HP, is because with software alone we should be able to get to 525-550HP. :drool:

i can't wait

My guess is....

1) I6
2) Dual twin scroll turbo
3) 3.3L
4) 450HP/376 pound feet (Power package 480 hp/405 pound feet)
5) 3600 LBS.

Bonus: M4

Fixed this for you

turbo inline 6 confirmed today.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2012/05/22/confimed-new-bmw-m3-and-m4-powered-by-inline-six-engine/

we're getting closer to the final specs, another fact is that the next M3 will be lighter that the current :parrot:

we're getting closer to the final specs, another fact is that the next M3 will be lighter that the current :parrot:

Where was that announced?

Where was that announced?

Ive read it in multiple articles, but here is one of them.http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733771

Ive read it in multiple articles, but here is one of them.http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733771

Interesting... but I don't believe it.

The F30 328 weighs in at 133 lbs more than the e90 328, per car and driver.

The e90 M3 was already pretty maxed out in terms of factory possible weight savings (cf roof, alu hood, plastic fenders, alu subframes and suspension), and the engine will likely get heavier. Going from an alu/mag V8 (compact) to a larger engine shape (inline 6) plus turbos and support hardware.

Interesting... but I don't believe it.

The F30 328 weighs in at 133 lbs more than the e90 328, per car and driver.

The e90 M3 was already pretty maxed out in terms of factory possible weight savings (cf roof, alu hood, plastic fenders, alu subframes and suspension), and the engine will likely get heavier. Going from an alu/mag V8 (compact) to a larger engine shape (inline 6) plus turbos and support hardware.

I hear ya. It will be surprising if it is lighter, but I keep reading it and my brain wants to believe it so badly. This is what I'm seeing.

For more M3/M4 coverage see: http://www.bimmerpost.com/m3/f30m3/

The following is a summary what we know regarding the F80 M3 / F82 M4:

"Lighter than current M3"
"Faster than current M3"
"More powerful than current M3"
"More efficient than current M3"
"by an inline 6 cylinder turbo engine"
"with optional or standard manual transmission"
"Electric Power Steering (completely reworked for precision for M3/M4)"
"M3 Introduced late 2013 - early 2014 (concept debuts earlier)"
"M4 Introduced no earlier than late 2014"

htthttp://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729225p://

I don't believe electric power steering, either.

I don't know why you guys are guessing the TQ numbers to be so low in the mid 300s I would guess somewhere near 400 if not higher more like 450hp and 420tq. And I also think this car running on E85 would be a monster stock or with a few breather mods intake exhaust HFC or downpipes and a tune. Guessing with the aftermarket help this thing will make near 600hp maybe more.

Received some info several weeks back, the HP for Europe is going to be 450 and 444 for the U.S. i'm a bit disappointed by these figures, but then was also told that the "M4" (coupe) is supposed to weigh approx. 3200-3300Lbs. If this turns out to be accurate the modest gain in HP with be adequate to make a significant difference compared to the E92.

Yesterday my dealer told me that they have received the documents for Alpina. It should have 430 HP, and since BMW M may traditionally have always been a little more ...

its an inline 6 3.0L turbo, that has been published..

its supposed to be around 420hp and have 100 more foot pounds of tq than the S65.

its target weight is E46 M3 weight

i was incorrect on the weight estimate, it will be 3300-3400 LBS.

No one is correct or incorrect about anything yet as BMW hasn't said squat about the specs.

My guess is that 99.9% of all with an interest in the specs will feel disappointed with the bhp number; certainly not north of 450 and probably south of 430 with torque being called on to shave a couple of tenths off the 0-60 times.

No one is correct or incorrect about anything yet as BMW hasn't said squat about the specs.

My guess is that 99.9% of all with an interest in the specs will feel disappointed with the bhp number; certainly not north of 450 and probably south of 430 with torque being called on to shave a couple of tenths off the 0-60 times.



you may be right, the torque will be the biggest gain compared to the S65.