As many here I was extremely disappointed with the outcome of the e90 class M3.

I do plan on if finances permits to make the move to a F80 M3. This tri turbo although unorthodox sounds promising.

What's your wish list for the F80? Colors? Options? Mechanics?

For me:

-6spd MT
-Competition package when available
-Stock BBK Brembo or such it's about time
-A more refined variable valve technology
-A harder less refined ride like the E46
-A spare tire
-electronic dampening controls (active suspension control) -so I can rip it out and put in coil overs-

So you want an E46 with a spare tire? I believe your wish has been granted:

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/forumdisplay.php?f=75

Personally I'd like to see that it'll get 30+ mpg highway. Yeah I know its "because racecar!" and no one should care about that on this forum and flame suit on...but seriously, its about time. Theres no reason a car can't be fast and efficient. A corvette gets 26mpg highway with a freakin 6.2L engine. Diesels win the LeMans prototype class all the time now because of fuel efficiency! As much work as BMW puts into aerodynamics, 30mpg should be a piece of cake.

Agreed with GoTerps

I do believe you mean F30

i think fuel efficiency will be a reality, 30 mpg though? maybe..


I just hope the damn car loses weight, i also hope the steering feels better than the e90 w is too light imo.

I hope the overall looks doesnt look as platic like as the e9x, and I hope the hood bulge is still there, but tasteful.



I hope there is a HUD option

to the BBK option, IMO M3's were never about the showy brakes. No doubt they look sick when added aftermarket, but they always seemed to be function over form and the young hotshot businessman doesn't want noisy brakes while driving around hot girls.

I dont think a young hotshot business man would mind if his brakes are noisy as that noise is the art of slowing you down :drums:

Wish list?
-6 speed manual
-45mpg
-600bhp
-spare tyre
-M race decals option
-M badged brake callipers
-tight suspension
-should come with companion girl
-GT2 drivetrain

Considering the F30 is 88 pounds lighter than the E90..we're off on a good start. So if the M division is all about meeting the weight of the 3 series despite their modifications..in addition to a lighter 3-turbo engine set up.

Odds are...the new M3 will be a lighter faster starship. I can bet good money that the HUD display will also be optional as will front parking sensors.

There won't be a BBK. Comp Pkge will be available last year of production as will a new set of tail lights..

I want a special Alcantara Interior and bits. Maybe some special exterior color.

Here's my wish list, as I contemplate skipping a generation and going straight from E46 to F80:

- 3,400lb curb weight
- 350+ lb-ft torque
- 450+ hp
- dual-clutch gearbox
- no price increase
- small hood bulge (no E9x beluga whale)
- wider rear fender (like E46)
- 5 seats in the coupe
- station wagon form = ideal
- regenerative braking

Here's my wish list, as I contemplate skipping a generation and going straight from E46 to F80:

- 3,400lb curb weight
- 350+ lb-ft torque
- 450+ hp
- dual-clutch gearbox
- no price increase
- small hood bulge (no E9x beluga whale)
- wider rear fender (like E46)
- 5 seats in the coupe
- station wagon form = ideal
- regenerative breaking

This, although honestly I'd like to see the weight under 3400. Hell, make it 3100lbs and I'll take 425hp and 350lb-ft.

Here's my wish list, as I contemplate skipping a generation and going straight from E46 to F80:

- 3,400lb curb weight
- 350+ lb-ft torque
- 450+ hp
- dual-clutch gearbox
- no price increase
- small hood bulge (no E9x beluga whale)
- wider rear fender (like E46)
- 5 seats in the coupe
- station wagon form = ideal
- regenerative breaking



You would need a battery and an electric motor with regenerative braking, not a small weight difference.

I feel little worried about the turbos. Seeing how 335i have a lot of problems with the turbo, I dont think the F80 M3 would be an exception. Then again Im no expert. Can someone explain?

I feel little worried about the turbos. Seeing how 335i have a lot of problems with the turbo, I dont think the F80 M3 would be an exception. Then again Im no expert. Can someone explain?

Can't argue with you there. It's even a further worry now that they are testing the new Tri- Turbo which features an electric turbo. Hopefully the problems are minimal.

No sunroof option
4-door is nearly a must for me now

to the BBK option, IMO M3's were never about the showy brakes. No doubt they look sick when added aftermarket, but they always seemed to be function over form and the young hotshot businessman doesn't want noisy brakes while driving around hot girls.

When you've burned up the dust boots on the shitty stock OEM brakes and experienced uneven pad wear, you too will join the crowd of people really disappointing that BMW outfits their cars with such shitty calipers.

BMW has to do a complete 180 in the customer service department for me to ever consider them again. I do not see that happening within my lifetime.

manual offered. 450hp or so, 400 ft-lbs will be a reality. 3400lbs would be good. Power bulge would be good, I personally like the E9x's. The vents in the hood are also cool to me. The rear fenders flaring more would be good. I wish the Y spoke competition wheels were standard, 18's would be ideal with that design. If it could get a combined 23mpg or so, driving reasonably responsible would be good(compared with the combined 19ish the S54 did for me.

Hope it has the throttle response of my N54, I personally barely noticed any lag whatsoever, and it honestly did not feel like a turbo car until I tuned it.

You guys have no idea what you're missing out on with the E9x :p :D

I swear I dont understand.

M owners dissapointed in the 3550 lb E92 M3 with 414 N/A hp and one of the best chasis on the market.

Look forward to M with multi turbo engine derived from 335i that will probalby have noise synthesized through the speakers. :screwy:


Anyway. I'm very much looking forward to the next M3, but will probably stray away from what the M3 is has been in the past. Hell its probably not even an M3 in coupe form.

Anyway. On track.


I just hope it has at least 400 tqs, is no heavier than the E92 M3, has a nice exhaust note, and doesnt pump fake engine noise through the sound system.

Here's my wish list, as I contemplate skipping a generation and going straight from E46 to F80:

- 3,400lb curb weight
- 350+ lb-ft torque
- 450+ hp
- dual-clutch gearbox
- no price increase
- small hood bulge (no E9x beluga whale)
- wider rear fender (like E46)
- 5 seats in the coupe
- station wagon form = ideal
- regenerative braking

Geez bro. You're list is next to impossible :lolhit:

Facts:

_it will never sounds as good as the V8.
_it will be much faster and much torquier than the E9x
_until it overheats (west coast track guys know what I'm talking about)

You guys have no idea what you're missing out on with the E9x :p :D

lol i know :lolhit::thumbsup:

Facts:

_it will never sounds as good as the V8.
_it will be much faster and much torquier than the E9x
_until it overheats (west coast track guys know what I'm talking about)

Facts =/= opinion, get it straight.

I personally didn't like the V8 as much in terms of sound. I loved the screaming straight 6 in my E46 along with the rasp too much to give into the E92, not to mention the interior is rather dull and constrained in the E9X's and E60's IMO.

Another thing that's bothering me is the fact that people act as if they can't change the exhaust/sound of the car. Most M3 owners change the stock exhaust for a lighter, better sounding, better looking one anyway. Why does it matter so much how it sounds stock? The turbos will add better fuel efficiency, more power and torque, and open up WAY more aftermarket tuning opportunities for extra power. I think all that is worth it.

But anywho, my wishlist is simple:

Under 3500 lbs.
450 HP at the least
375 lb/ft of torque at least.
25-28 MPG on the highway.
Under $80k after most options.
Decent rear leg room for people above 6 ft tall.

Looks are subjective, albeit BMW has yet to release an ugly M3. We'll see how it pans out in the future.

But anywho, my wishlist is simple:

Under 3500 lbs.
450 HP at the least
375 lb/ft of torque at least.
25-28 MPG on the highway.
Under $80k after most options.
Decent rear leg room for people above 6 ft tall.



Sounds like a C6 Z06 is right up your alley....minus rear leg room

Nope, a turbo 6 will never sound as nice a an NA 6 or 8, especially one that revs to 8000+, regardless of exhausts. Fact.

Hopefully I don't offend anyone when I say that most turbo 6 cylinders kinda sound like crap. Not to take away any of their other qualities (disclaimer) but speaking strictly of sound it's really average. Look at the 135i, Porsche Turbo, GTR... Turbo motors don't scream because they rev low, and by nature turbos muffle sound.

It's not that hard to figure out. I'm not sure why you bring up the S54 since it's a high rpm NA screamer and the engine in the future M3 will be nothing like it.

Nope, a turbo 6 will never sound as nice a an NA 6 or 8, especially one that revs to 8000+, regardless of exhausts. Fact.

Hopefully I don't offend anyone when I say that most turbo 6 cylinders kinda sound like crap. Not to take away any of their other qualities (disclaimer) but speaking strictly of sound it's really average. Look at the 135i, Porsche Turbo, GTR... Turbo motors don't scream because they rev low, and by nature turbos muffle sound.

:hmm: TRUTH.

I swear I dont understand.

M owners dissapointed in the 3550 lb E92 M3 with 414 N/A hp and one of the best chasis on the market.

Look forward to M with multi turbo engine derived from 335i that will probalby have noise synthesized through the speakers. :screwy:
.

Yup... pretty impressive "intelligence"

Nope, a turbo 6 will never sound as nice a an NA 6 or 8, especially one that revs to 8000+, regardless of exhausts. Fact.

Hopefully I don't offend anyone when I say that most turbo 6 cylinders kinda sound like crap. Not to take away any of their other qualities (disclaimer) but speaking strictly of sound it's really average. Look at the 135i, Porsche Turbo, GTR... Turbo motors don't scream because they rev low, and by nature turbos muffle sound.

It's not that hard to figure out. I'm not sure why you bring up the S54 since it's a high rpm NA screamer and the engine in the future M3 will be nothing like it.
You shouldn't waste your time trying to explain it.

Some people don't seem to be able to process that simple fact.

There is not one turbo car in the world that sounds decent. At most you'll amplify the exhaust and have a nice farty exhaust note.
The GTR sounds like a vacuum cleaner
The 911TT sounds like a vacuum cleaner
The MPC12 sounds like a vacuum cleaner

Seriously, I would think that almost anyone by now would be able to happily predict what the M3 will sound like!!! But no, people continue thinking that somehow BMW will do better than cars costing up to 5x as much and will make it sound well.

Then, the spy vids come out and surprise surprise, it sounds like a vacuum cleaner. OMG!! Who would have known! And then the real riot is when the same extremely intelligent, bright individuals are like 'booo we'll have to wait for Akra/etc to release a good exhaust'.

It's a little scary.

For the nth time: turbo engines sound like vacuum cleaners because:
-They have low compression ratios!!! DUH!!
-The turbos are in the exhaust, fundamentally blocking the free passage of air!!! DUH!!
-They rev little

Now, regarding:
-fuel efficiency: no doubt it will be higher, but not at the track. I won't waste time explaining it.
-weight: apparently a little lower than the E9X M3
-brakes: maybe they'll put a heavy BBK on for all the whiners that want AMG brakes on their M3s even though they don't brake any better and sometimes brake worse!
-power upgrades: less than 100hp with stock turbos and cats if you consider 'longevity' to include over 50k miles. In the grand scheme of things it'll be less upgradeable than the current M3 (once supercharged), as once you switch to a ooohmmmmyggggod turbo size to get 700hp, turbo lag is so bad the car is basically undriveable. Of course this won't matter to dyno queens.
-heat: most likely they'll suffer heat soak at the track. Not that it will matter to many here...

Flame suit on

Nope, a turbo 6 will never sound as nice a an NA 6 or 8, especially one that revs to 8000+, regardless of exhausts. Fact.

Hopefully I don't offend anyone when I say that most turbo 6 cylinders kinda sound like crap. Not to take away any of their other qualities (disclaimer) but speaking strictly of sound it's really average. Look at the 135i, Porsche Turbo, GTR... Turbo motors don't scream because they rev low, and by nature turbos muffle sound.

It's not that hard to figure out. I'm not sure why you bring up the S54 since it's a high rpm NA screamer and the engine in the future M3 will be nothing like it.

Lol... agreed... the E9x is an amazing sounding machine. I have both an E46 and an E90 and there is no comparison.

The e90 makes me shiver, even with stock exhaust... the engine sounds absolutely amazing...

You shouldn't waste your time trying to explain it.

Some people don't seem to be able to process that simple fact.




Oh man, I was thinking just that as I was replying in another thread. People just want to argue the facts. I should just stick to checking out the member's journal section :D

Thank you for explaining further.

Lol... agreed... the E9x is an amazing sounding machine. I have both an E46 and an E90 and there is no comparison.

The e90 makes me shiver, even with stock exhaust... the engine sounds absolutely amazing...

Dude! You have an F20C, an S54 and a S65! :bow:
I'm guessing if the S85 didn't come in such land yachts, you'd probably have one of them too :D

Facts:

_it will never sounds as good as the V8.
_it will be much faster and much torquier than the E9x
_until it overheats (west coast track guys know what I'm talking about)

Agreed.
The more closely space the pulses, the better the engine sound.
V12 > V10 > V8 > I6.

Forced induction engines (turbo or supercharger), in any cylinder displacement, will never sound as good as a naturally aspirated V8, V10, or V12.

Yes and no. Even FI can sound great, but it requires lots of work and fine-tuning. Here's an example at 39:30 into the video:

How to Build a Supercar "MP4-12C" - YouTube

Yes and no. Even FI can sound great, but it requires lots of work and fine-tuning. Here's an example at 39:30 into the video:

How to Build a Supercar "MP4-12C" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWJNU1AQETE)
Antiroll, the MPC12 continues to sound like crap. Nothing you can do about low compression ratios and something in the way of the exhaust gas.
I'm sure it sounds better than the future M3, but it's in a different universe than a similarly priced car.

A few times I've driven E92 M3, I've realized how much I like this car. I'd take it over E46 and E36 any day. Although, I have to say I do miss my E46 which I had for 5 1/2 years. My experience with E36 wasn't so good because I had a problematic car. The reason I didn't get E9x M3 was because I had the M5 for nearly 3 years (for 1 year I had it with the E46) and just didn't want to get another gas guzzler for daily duties. But I still think the E9x is one of the best M3s and I wish I had purchased one. I am sure the next one will be a blast, even though it will be turbocharged.

Nope, a turbo 6 will never sound as nice a an NA 6 or 8, especially one that revs to 8000+, regardless of exhausts. Fact.

Hopefully I don't offend anyone when I say that most turbo 6 cylinders kinda sound like crap. Not to take away any of their other qualities (disclaimer) but speaking strictly of sound it's really average. Look at the 135i, Porsche Turbo, GTR... Turbo motors don't scream because they rev low, and by nature turbos muffle sound.

It's not that hard to figure out. I'm not sure why you bring up the S54 since it's a high rpm NA screamer and the engine in the future M3 will be nothing like it.

Again, you are failing to understand the difference between an opinion and fact. I would agree that turbo powered cars don't sound as good as N/A cars, but it's just my opinion. I have a friend who has an Evo 8 that says he loves the sound of his Evo and prefers it over N/A cars for some reason. You can't just masquerade your opinion as fact simply because it's the widely held opinion.

And I bring up the S54 because:

You guys have no idea what you're missing out on with the E9x :p :D

I know what I missed out on, and I don't regret it one bit.

The skeptics that said "the upcoming V8 won't ever sound as good as the screaming I6" while the E92 was in production are the same skeptics that are saying this turbo powered 6 cylinder engine won't sound good. Just have faith in BMW, in their M cars - they have yet to truly disappoint us.

Not only that, it's far too early to say anything definitively.