will continue their trend in being #1 in its class....

Here they are patenting their new turbocharging technology, which is supposed to be indistinguishable from a normally aspirated motor in terms of power delivery:
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597327

Here are spy photos showing a traditional manual transmission:
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=602401

Its performance will probably be on par with the M5 and based on the fact that the F30 will be lighter than the outgoing E90/E92 by 100lbs, the new M3 could possibly be even lighter than it already is...

This new M3 will be THE BOSS :fyea:

It looks huge and boaty like the M5
:parrot::parrot::parrot:

It looks huge and boaty like the M5
:parrot::parrot::parrot:

Dimensionally, it's larger than the E90/E92, but lighter... That's a huge plus given the trend of the other models, which have all become heavier

So twin-turbo V6? Hm...

I will wait till the final build is released before I pass full judgment. There is hope that this could be an extraordinary M3, they just need to return to a 50/50 weight balance that the E92 disappointingly lacked

I will wait till the final build is released before I pass full judgment. There is hope that this could be an extraordinary M3, they just need to return to a 50/50 weight balance that the E92 disappointingly lacked

The E92's weight distribution was pretty close to 50/50

Coupe: 51.2/48.8%
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Coupe/Features_and_Specs/M3CoupeSpecifications.aspx

Sedan: 52.2/47.8%
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Sedan/Features_and_Specs/M3SedanSpecifications.aspx

Vert: 47.2/52.8 %
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Convertible/Features_and_Specs/M3ConvertibleSpecifications.aspx

The E92's weight distribution was pretty close to 50/50

Coupe: 51.2/48.8%
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Coupe/Features_and_Specs/M3CoupeSpecifications.aspx

Sedan: 52.2/47.8%
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Sedan/Features_and_Specs/M3SedanSpecifications.aspx

Vert: 47.2/52.8 %
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Convertible/Features_and_Specs/M3ConvertibleSpecifications.aspx

still a large enough difference from the 50/50 that the E30, 36, and 46 shared.

Man a twin turbo v-6?! I think I'll cry if that's what they go with. Straight sixes are the only sixes for BMWs in my opinion. :(

I call 450hp from the tri-turbo engine be it inline or V.

I call 450hp from the tri-turbo engine be it inline or V.

It has to be a little more if history is to repeat itself. (US models)

E30M3->E36M3 (48hp increase)

E36M3->E46M3 (93hp increase)

E46M3->E92M3 (81hp increase)

I would hope it would be at least a 60hp increase over the E92 :shifty:

Edit: The E60 M5 had 500hp while the E92 M3 had 414hp so if going off the new F10 M5 with a hp rating of 560, the new F80 M3 should have somewhere in the ballpark of 475hp and thats my prediction :)

And it most certainly won't be a V6, they will stick with an inline 6, like the 1M.

The real E36 had nearly as much power as the E46 though. But I agree with you, it will be probably 475hp.

I hope they stick with inline...
Just so I can laugh at all the people who say V6 about bmw's

that thing looks huge..I wasn't a fan of the e9x M3 either..hopefully they'll look better and it'll be more driver oriented like the e46 is.

paging dr ekaru....dr ekaru to the OT please

It's going to have three tudbros, no question

maybe it will be a flat 6

I can't wait to see if this thing really is going to have the triple turbo setup. It's going to unlock so many tuning possiblities. I agree with everyone else in saying that I hope the car brings back more the more driver oriented handling characteristics that the older ///M models share.

I just hope they don't give the coupe some other name -.-

Turbo's suck! :(

Inline 6 way to go

I read somewhere that it might be called the M4?? huh? Also, sad to see a lot of people hating on the e92 models. I had the e46 and it was great, but not as fast over 120 mph as the e92.

So will this forum have to change a lot of it's look when it comes out?

While this may be true, when are you hitting 120+ on your cone course? No disrespect(I love e92's) just wondering where you can even use this attribute.

Its going to be called an M3, it always has always will be. BMW is not that stupid. However the car will be ugly just as the E9X cars are, and the engines will win many awards and yadayadayada.....

All in all a massive :facepalm:

While this may be true, when are you hitting 120+ on your cone course? No disrespect(I love e92's) just wondering where you can even use this attribute.

I just don't drive in rally's, and yes on that course in particular you don't get it out of 2nd gear. Times to go 120 are

1. Quarter mile races
2. When some douche in an infinity wants to race
3. When you want to lose your license
4. To scare your passengers
5. TO FREAKING DRIVE THE CAR:parrot:

Its going to be called an M3, it always has always will be. BMW is not that stupid. However the car will be ugly just as the E9X cars are, and the engines will win many awards and yadayadayada.....

All in all a massive :facepalm:

HOW the F is the E92 ugly? It looks like a beast. People that don't like the V8 e90 series probably couldn't get one, for whatever reason. That's why they have an issue with it.

Anyone that likes BMW shouldn't say crap about M3s, whatever iteration. Just get a Mercedes and drive automatic. :fyea:

I just don't drive in rally's, and yes on that course in particular you don't get it out of 2nd gear. Times to go 120 are

1. Quarter mile races
2. When some douche in an infinity wants to race
3. When you want to lose your license
4. To scare your passengers
5. TO FREAKING DRIVE THE CAR:parrot:

1. BMW's shouldn't be drag racing
2. Thanks for street racing. Always good to put people and property at risk.
3. You should.
4. Nice! Risk your life along with someone elses.
5. Then take it to the track where these cars belong and shine.

HOW the F is the E92 ugly? It looks like a beast. People that don't like the V8 e90 series probably couldn't get one, for whatever reason. That's why they have an issue with it.

Anyone that likes BMW shouldn't say crap about M3s, whatever iteration. Just get a Mercedes and drive automatic. :fyea:

Listen here Chief,

First I own an M3 with a proper manual with 3 pedals comprende?

Second, I could buy an E9X M3 but they are simply ugly as hell, compared to the E46 M3 and E36 M3 (whose lines are subtle I might add) the E9X cars look like sh*t.

It has a tumor growing up front, the engine is the only thing on the whole car I like.

Fast car does not mean it looks good, I hated the E9X cars when they came out and still do.

Listen here Chief,

First I own an M3 with a proper manual with 3 pedals comprende? What type of medal do you want?:laughhard:

Second, I could buy an E9X M3 but they are simply ugly as hell, compared to the E46 M3 and E36 M3 (whose lines are subtle I might add) the E9X cars look like sh*t. OK, right. So if you could trade in your '99 M3 for a 2011 e92 you would say, no, it's ugly...yhea right.:facepalm:

It has a tumor growing up front, the engine is the only thing on the whole car I like. So you buy a car just based on looks, makes sense:screwy:

Fast car does not mean it looks good, I hated the E9X cars when they came out and still do.

Give me a break. The e92 will be a classic, because it's the only M3 with a v8:raspberry::raspberry:

Give me a break. The e92 will be a classic, because it's the only M3 with a v8:raspberry::raspberry:

I agree, that is only reason to own one.

:laughhard:

Other than that it does not even compare to the E46, E36 and not even touching the E30.

I would never trade in my E36 for a E9X M3.

I would take one for free however and sell it.

So you buy a car just for the engine then? Because I care about both, engine and looks.

Only thing the E9X M3's have are their engines, thats it.

The car is hideous, the engine is good.

It used to be both :facepalm:

1. BMW's shouldn't be drag racing
2. Thanks for street racing. Always good to put people and property at risk.
3. You should.
4. Nice! Risk your life along with someone elses.
5. Then take it to the track where these cars belong and shine.

Number 1. BMW's shouldn't be drag racing, really? Have you ever raced a quarter mile? Probably not. ITS FUN and if you pay that much for a car, enjoy it.

Number two, I have no points on my license and I don't race. If some A Hole is behind me, and tail gating me, I will respond. MAN UP.

3. I should lose my license??? Don't think so. But thanks for the kind words.
I guess you have no concept of sarcasm. It occurs with those of limited capacity. Do you also watch old episodes of Friends?

4. Again, get a sense of humor.

5. whatever

I'll take my "ugly" car over an outdated one anytime.

Outdated?

The older M cars are pwning the new ones still.

Outdated?

The older M cars are pwning the new ones still.

Where, in the used car lots?:facepalm:

Whatever, they are all M3s so I'll agree to disagree here. I liked the M3s since they came out so I can't say anything else.:drums:

Where, in the used car lots?:facepalm:

Whatever, they are all M3s so I'll agree to disagree here. I liked the M3s since they came out so I can't say anything else.:drums:

Look man I like all M3's some more than others but I prefer any M3 over any other car (except for a McLaren F1), I would hope you would as well both being enthusiasts.

Ohh and the Nurburgring.

Euro Spec E36 M3's were fast as hell.

Give me a break. The e92 will be a classic, because it's the only M3 with a v8:raspberry::raspberry:

So on this note the US spec e36 M3 is a classic also since it's the only M3 with no true "M engine" :screwy:
Sharocks if someone gave you an e9X M3 you'll rock it,trying to pick up girls will be your main reason :thumbsup2:

So on this note the US spec e36 M3 is a classic also since it's the only M3 with no true "M engine" :screwy:
Sharocks if someone gave you an e9X M3 you'll rock it,trying to pick up girls will be your main reason :thumbsup2:

Dude, I hate the car. Seriously, I cant stand them. Even modded is so-so. If I won one, than I would sell it and immediately get a used 911.

So on this note the US spec e36 M3 is a classic also since it's the only M3 with no true "M engine" :screwy:
Sharocks if someone gave you an e9X M3 you'll rock it,trying to pick up girls will be your main reason :thumbsup2:

:rofl2: says the guy with the name Down to F*ck

The drawings of it are amazing!

w00t for the next M3

hopefully :shifty:

I say 3.6L tri-turbo I6 @ 465hp w/ 400 tq that revs to 7500 rpm.
Weight in at 3800# w/ half tank of gas.

But what I really want is a 3.8L twin turbo I6 @ 480hp w/ 450 tq that revs to 8300 rpm.
Weight in at 3500# similar to the E46 M3.

We'll find out when the X3 M comes out. Forget all the guessing. I don't think BMW will have V6 turbo for the X3M and I6 turbo for the M3/M4.

I will wait till the final build is released before I pass full judgment. There is hope that this could be an extraordinary M3, they just need to return to a 50/50 weight balance that the E92 disappointingly lacked

Huh? I dont think any of the cars had perfect 50/50 and even if so it doesnt matter. The E92 M3 chasis is always raved about.

This section is starting off gud

i feel the same way as sharocks

Call be odd, but I don't think I need 450+ HP, I'd rather see efficiency improvements in power delivery, weight distribution, acceleration, better material usage and better air dynamics on the car. My buddy has an E92 and just added an Exhaust and drop in filter and wants to get an X-pipe to add more power. My question is, when is enough enough? How much power do you need to go from Point A to B? Maybe I am getting old? Maybe my M42 powered E30 has warped my mind...

Bring back the inline heritage. I was disappointed the Germans came up with V8 in the e9x. Let's hope BMW engineers are through with their 'midlife crisis' of a design and get their heads on straight this time.

Really intrigued about the third electric turbo. Anyone know more about it and would like to share?

I will wait till the final build is released before I pass full judgment. There is hope that this could be an extraordinary M3, they just need to return to a 50/50 weight balance that the E92 disappointingly lacked

The E92's weight distribution was pretty close to 50/50

Coupe: 51.2/48.8%
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Coupe/Features_and_Specs/M3CoupeSpecifications.aspx

Sedan: 52.2/47.8%
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Sedan/Features_and_Specs/M3SedanSpecifications.aspx

Vert: 47.2/52.8 %
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2011/M/M3Convertible/Features_and_Specs/M3ConvertibleSpecifications.aspx

still a large enough difference from the 50/50 that the E30, 36, and 46 shared.

:facepalm: Yes I'm sure that 1% is noticeable by your skills.

:facepalm: Yes I'm sure that 1% is noticeable by your skills.

:laughhard:

that 1% makes a huge difference in momentun racing :rofl3:

:laughhard:

that 1% makes a huge difference in "momentun" racing :rofl3:

Funny because you're gonna get bashed most likely for 1 mistake you made...:drums:

^that's a running OT joke sparky, not a mistake ;)

I agree, that is only reason to own one.

:laughhard:

Other than that it does not even compare to the E46, E36 and not even touching the E30.

I would never trade in my E36 for a E9X M3.

I would take one for free however and sell it.

So you buy a car just for the engine then? Because I care about both, engine and looks.

Only thing the E9X M3's have are their engines, thats it.

The car is hideous, the engine is good.

It used to be both :facepalm:


I respect your opinion, but I honestly disagree with you 100%, and perhaps am the mirror opposite - while not hideous, I am not a huge fan of the E46 or E36 and much prefer the E9X. I honestly think the E9X might be better looking than the F80, from what I've seen in spyshots - will reserve judgement until it is released.

Curious, and I'm really not trying to be rude, but how old are you? Only reason I ask - most of the "older" people I talk to prefer the older m3 look, and vice versa.


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E36 forum, please do a better job of monitoring one of your own. :D

I agree, that is only reason to own one.

:laughhard:

Other than that it does not even compare to the E46, E36 and not even touching the E30. EDIT: The E9x only blow the lot of 'em into the weeds in all areas of performance.

I would never trade in my E36 for a E9X M3. EDIT: Buyer's choice

I would take one for free however and sell it. EDIT: And you would likely accept a blow job from your avatar too, but that is about as likely to happen as being given an E9x M3, amirite? :D

So you buy a car just for the engine then? Because I care about both, engine and looks. EDIT: Buyer's choice again, but if your "looks" requirement prevents you from ever having the car that has the best engine of its class, your thinking is flaky IMO.


Only thing the E9X M3's have are their engines, thats it. EDIT: A world class engine it is.


The car is hideous, the engine is good.

It used to be both :facepalm: EDIT: You are mistaken. The I6 S54 won the 3-4 liter EOTY class, but that has not always been the case with all M3 engines. Furthermore, the S65B40 (i.e. E9x M3 engine) has won the best engine award for the same class (3-4 liter) every year so far since its debut in showrooms. http://www.ukipme.com/engineoftheyear/previous04.html To suggest that somehow the S65 in any way is not quite up to snuff for an M3 engine is to blab ignorance, hatred or both.

I thought it was an S65B40 internal code?

It is S65 as you note. Thank you for catching that. :thumbsup2:
Typo corrected.

[QUOTE=clevername;1065165263]I read somewhere that it might be called the M4?? huh?

This rumor was also around when the e92 came out.

BMW would never call it the M4! At least we all hope not!:shifty:

It has to be a little more if history is to repeat itself. (US models)

E30M3->E36M3 (48hp increase)

E36M3->E46M3 (93hp increase)

E46M3->E92M3 (81hp increase)

I would hope it would be at least a 60hp increase over the E92 :shifty:

Edit: The E60 M5 had 500hp while the E92 M3 had 414hp so if going off the new F10 M5 with a hp rating of 560, the new F80 M3 should have somewhere in the ballpark of 475hp and thats my prediction :)

Agreed.

Food for thought


Caught Testing: 2014 BMW M3 - Spy Shots

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/highlights/frontpage/flipper/caught-testing-2014-bmw-m3/2754848-1-eng-US/caught-testing-2014-bmw-m3.jpg


The 2014 BMW M3 sedan has been spotted undergoing winter testing while wearing only minimal disguise. From these images, the 4-door variant of the next M3 appears ready to adopt a subtler
outward persona. Even with the swirly paint hiding some design details, it’s obvious this M3 is not going overboard with huge fender flares or massive air intakes. The quad exhaust and large
alloy wheels (19s?) are about as extreme as this prototype gets in the looks department.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/future-cars/spy-photos/caught-testing-2014-bmw-m3/gallery/2014_bmw_m3_photo_3/2754965-1-eng-US/2014-bmw-m3-spy-03_gallery_image_large.jpg


A wilder body could find its way onto the next M3 Coupe, and BMW could always spring a surprise as the car undergoes further development and testing.
We like the idea of a stealthier M3, at least in sedan format. During our test drive of the 2012 BMW 328i, we complemented the new car’s “slimmer looks and
cleaner lines.” A sedan with M levels of performance in a Q-car package is a very tempting proposition.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/future-cars/spy-photos/caught-testing-2014-bmw-m3/gallery/2014_bmw_m3_photo_4/2754980-1-eng-US/2014-bmw-m3-spy-04_gallery_image_large.jpg


Turbocharged Inline-6

A forced-induction 6-cylinder engine is going to replace the 414-bhp 4.0-liter V-8 found in the current M3. Exactly how many turbochargers will be involved is up
for serious debate—some have even suggested a triple-turbo arrangement could be used. BMW recently unveiled a triple-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-6 diesel
for European-spec versions of the 5 Series, X5 and X6. The engine delivers 381 bhp and a massive 546 lb.-ft. of torque.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/future-cars/spy-photos/caught-testing-2014-bmw-m3/gallery/2013_bmw_m3_photo_5/2754995-1-eng-US/2014-bmw-m3-spy-05_gallery_image_large.jpg

A tri-turbo M3 would likely sound awesome, but we expect the twin-turbo arrangement of the current 3.0-liter N55 inline-6 will most likely be used.
Fear not, power should easily top the current M3’s 414 bhp. Something in the region of 430 to 440 bhp is likely, and transmissions will include
BMW’s 7-speed dual-clutch gearbox or a 6-speed manual. Overall weight should be lower than before, thanks to more extensive use of aluminum and
carbon-fiber components.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/future-cars/spy-photos/caught-testing-2014-bmw-m3/gallery/photo_1/2754935-1-eng-US/2014-bmw-m3-spy-01_gallery_image_large.jpg


These weight savings will offer a boost to performance, as well as fuel economy. The latter is not something not usually discussed with M products,
but BMW is pushing hard for better fuel mileage across its entire model lineup.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-cars/spy-photos/caught-testing-2014-bmw-m3

^^^Thanks for the pics! I like how it looks in those pics, wish they would throw the engine from GTS in there and surprise us all :D

^^^Thanks for the pics! I like how it looks in those pics, wish they would throw the engine from GTS in there and surprise us all :D

That would likely put an end to all the concerns about the next generation's engine. It isn't as if they are going to sell any more of the next generation than they sell of the current generation what with a higher financial requirement to play demand for the model will be reduced accordingly.

... My buddy has an E92 and just added an Exhaust and drop in filter and wants to get an X-pipe to add more power. My question is, when is enough enough? How much power do you need to go from Point A to B? Maybe I am getting old? Maybe my M42 powered E30 has warped my mind...

How much power do you need?

Too much ought to be just about right... :thumbsup2:

Pleae dont have the N55 :facepalm:

Bring back the inline heritage. I was disappointed the Germans came up with V8 in the e9x. Let's hope BMW engineers are through with their 'midlife crisis' of a design and get their heads on straight this time.

Really intrigued about the third electric turbo. Anyone know more about it and would like to share?

No pun intended ;)

Anyone see the rendering pix?
it looks very sharp.

From Bimmerpost.com (http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=654999) new pictures have surfaced from Sweden.
Interestingly, also, here is the first time spoken of V6 ...

http://www.abload.de/img/img_4193u74dg.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_4250lm0q9.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_4260v4063.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_42633264t.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_4279q2vtk.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_4293k108w.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_42975cvrh.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_4302rl6qj.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_43040j5sd.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_43182v31i.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/img_4325b7wg9.jpg

we can complain as much as we want about n/a vs. turbo but its not going to mean crap

porsche purists complained non stop about air cooled to water cooled. i don't see any complaints about the GT3 RS 4.0

bmw will evolve. turbos will eventually be accepted. if they make a mistake, like Audi did when they went from f/i to n/a and then back to f/i, they will return their cars to n/a. remember, if BMW wants to continue to race in ALMS and Grand Am - they will need to remain to the classing of the GT class - which was a 4.0L motor this year. so there will be an area for them to remain "competitive" & "enthusiast-based" with those motors.

BMW uses profits from their street cars to make race cars. Porsche and Ferrari use profits from race cars to produce street cars which eventually are used to fund their racing program.

there will always be that disconnect.

Listen here Chief,

First I own an M3 with a proper manual with 3 pedals comprende?

Second, I could buy an E9X M3 but they are simply ugly as hell, compared to the E46 M3 and E36 M3 (whose lines are subtle I might add) the E9X cars look like sh*t.

It has a tumor growing up front, the engine is the only thing on the whole car I like.

Fast car does not mean it looks good, I hated the E9X cars when they came out and still do.

Dude, I hate the car. Seriously, I cant stand them. Even modded is so-so. If I won one, than I would sell it and immediately get a used 911.

OMG shacawks you are unbelievable. you sound like you're 17... oh wait... you are. You make no sense. If you had any sense you would keep your mouth shut because everything you're saying is beyond ignorant, ill informed, and irrational. You don't know anything about the E9x coming from someone who hangs out on a BMW M3 forum and your visual disdain of the E9x is beyond a trolling hatred that is incomprehensible.

Maybe you like your decade+ refrigerator box E36 M3 more for whatever the reasons are, that's fine, but all the sewage coming from your glory hole about how terrible the E9x is just shows how much of a child you are and how you really don't belong here. You should hang out with all the guys/gurls/emos/r!cers on E46Fanatics who just got out of HS and hate because they can't afford an E9x M3 after then spent all their money on spoilers, stickers and exhaust systems working at TGIF and parking lots. :facepalm:

E36 forum, please do a better job of monitoring one of your own. :D

:bow: Eau Rogue to the rescue. Great post :thumbsup2:

Shacraps :owned:


oops i'm a little late to the party....

OMG shacawks you are unbelievable. you sound like you're 17... oh wait... you are. You make no sense. If you had any sense you would keep your mouth shut because everything you're saying is beyond ignorant, ill informed, and irrational. You don't know anything about the E9x coming from someone who hangs out on a BMW M3 forum and your visual disdain of the E9x is beyond a trolling hatred that is incomprehensible.

Maybe you like your decade+ refrigerator box E36 328i M Package more for whatever the reasons are, that's fine, but all the sewage coming from your glory hole about how terrible the E9x is just shows how much of a child you are and how you really don't belong here. You should hang out with all the guys/gurls/emos/r!cers on E46Fanatics who just got out of HS and hate because they can't afford an E9x M3 after then spent all their money on spoilers, stickers and exhaust systems working at TGIF and parking lots. :facepalm:



:bow: Eau Rogue to the rescue. Great post :thumbsup2:

Shacraps :owned:


oops i'm a little late to the party....

FTFY.