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bcuster
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 09:20:37 PM
Just used Zaino for the first time and was very impressed.

Antwerp
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 09:21:39 PM
How long did it take?

bcuster
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 09:35:36 PM
It took about 30 to 45 minutes to dry. I think it is going to take about 3 or 4 apllications before I really understand how to use it properly though. You know drying time, etc.

Kevin034
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 09:41:30 PM
That's one that that's steered me away from Zaino products. It's just too complicated.

(The following are done using Carman's voice from south park).
1. First, you see here, we apply the clay bar.
2. Then, we use S1, follow by S2.
3. Eh ... what part are we up to now?
4. Eh ... screw you guys, I am gonna home.

bcuster
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 09:45:50 PM
I hear ya but it really does seem to work well. What do you think about the car dusters...will they scratch the paint?

jtrichel
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 09:55:16 PM
are u guys serious? zaino is so easy!!!

bcuster
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 09:57:49 PM
It's not hard but it was the first time using it and wasn't quite sure what it should be like when it was dry.

MaxxM3
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 10:52:32 PM
its a hell of a work out... but in the end you will say WOW???

NRG
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 10:53:59 PM
Zaino is eassssssy. ITs laughable.

shawn0279
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 11:02:05 PM
so whats the process one should follow? isn't their a step by step on their website? unless one of you fellas want to be generous and share what works best.

Antwerp
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 11:07:19 PM
...and you can't use a motorized buffer either?

bcuster
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 11:10:45 PM
When you order their products it will have all the instructions you need to get started.

Beowoulf
Mon, Feb-16-2004, 11:56:55 PM
The biggest problem with Zaino is the misconception that it is hard since the instructions seem to be all over the place. I've attached an extensive write-up from autopia on another thread. Once you realize how easy it is you will never go back to your regular stuff. Just think of all the time you spend getting that white gunk out of all the crevices. Not with Zaino. I'll be sitting having a brew while you are still at it with your toothbrush and toothpick.:D

Antwerp
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 12:02:14 AM
You still want to get those cracks rinsed out good though, you don't want that stuff building up. :D
What is your brew of choice? :beer:

M3Man
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 01:56:48 AM
I love zaino! Its awesome!

Beowoulf
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 01:58:28 AM
Originally posted by M3_Ant

What is your brew of choice? :beer:

Spaten.:beer:

cbformula
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 08:05:36 PM
I love zaino :thumbsup: . Ive been detailing for many years now and though there are definitely alternatives that are as good as and in some cases better than zaino, zaino is still my choice of application for my car :)

Just some random pics of my car with zaino :) (sorry i dont own an M3 yet) Just press reload on your browser if its not loading:

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/p0ebfbd745d08f6dd0f3c8d6d9df0abca/fbbd6cbe.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/pe59d97647e7ce9fed95382998eaca432/fbbd6caa.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/p9c6386884541849a0671655f4db5f88f/fbbd6c8d.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid68/pa1ea1307e13d66f29c68f26ef21dee1b/fbbd6c86.jpg

DEW
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 08:10:11 PM
My M3 is only a couple of weeks old. Should I wait a few months before I apply Zaino to it or should I do it right away.

rleven
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 09:02:21 PM
You can apply whatever you want right away. The paint is cured at the factory. I would claybar it first though being that it just got off a train and ship and a truck.

LorenzoNY
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 09:40:08 PM
Zaino is great! In lieu of car washes when the car is not too dirty (eg finger prints), I use Z6. I have 14 coats of Zaino since I had the car. The IR is just brillant because of this product.

MaxxM3
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 09:46:33 PM
Originally posted by LorenzoNY
Zaino is great! In lieu of car washes when the car is not too dirty (eg finger prints), I use Z6. I have 14 coats of Zaino since I had the car. The IR is just brillant because of this product.

If anyone knows something about zaino its LorenzoNY……
The man has the shiniest car in the U.S.

LorenzoNY
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 09:50:22 PM
Max! I met you during one of the Thursday meets at Best Buy right? When are we meeting again?

BaDm0theR
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 09:53:48 PM
Can some of you guys give me a ballpark estimate of how long the FULL Zaino process takes to complete.


I am really considering expanding my business and branching my services that may soon offer Zaino upgraded packages.


Thanks in advance.



:thumbsup:

bcuster
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:02:55 PM
How many coats of the Z-5 do you apply?

Beowoulf
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:06:38 PM
It all depends on how long it takes you to do certain steps.

1. Initial wash
2. Clay the entire car
3. Rewash the car
4. Apply 1st coat of Zaino=Applying a coat of wax by hand
5. Wait 20-30 minutes depends on temp.
6. Wipe it off=wiping off a wax.

Repeat steps 4-6 2 more times for a total of 3 coats max in one day.

Subsequent applications are equivalent to applying any wax except I think it is a little quicker. You can do up to 3 coats in one day or just one coat after a wash.

The first day is labor intensive due to 2 washes and claying, but you have to do that with another product too if you want the best finish.

BaDm0theR
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:16:54 PM
Originally posted by beowoulf
It all depends on how long it takes you to do certain steps.



Based on the steps you described i will add in my 'estimated' time for the Zaino process based on my past experience in washing/claying/waxing.


1. Initial wash: 40min-1hr
2. Clay the entire car: 30min-1hr
3. Rewash the car: 40min-1hr
4. Apply 1st coat of Zaino: 25-30min (applying ONLY)
5. Wait 20-30 minutes depends on temp.:20-30min (duh!)
6. Wipe it off=wiping off a wax: 25-30min (removing ONLY)

Then you said repeat steps 4-6 TWICE.

So.....when i tally up all the estimated times (based on my past experience) and then also add the times for steps 4-6 TWICE.
I get this range for a COMPLETE ZAINO PROCESS:
Minimum Range : 5.3 hrs (320minutes)
Maximum Range: 6.5 hrs (390minutes)


Are these figures in the range for the time it takes all you Zaino buff's to complete this process?


:thumbsup:

brunoshogun
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:21:59 PM
i know this is a stupid question but whats "clay" mean?

Beowoulf
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:25:10 PM
Originally posted by bcuster
How many coats of the Z-5 do you apply?

It is up to you. Z-5 and Z-2 are interchangable and you can even mix them. Z-2 is optically pure so it will have more shine especially on a light car.

Beowoulf
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:32:27 PM
Mike, I forgot the Z-7 which is the quick detailer. It is needed after each application.

I would say it take a full day for the initial application if you want 3 coats but only 1 to 1.5 hours additional for each subsequent coat. As I said you can do 3 coats in one day but there is no rule that says you must do it. You can do just one coat each time. It is up to you.

BaDm0theR
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:38:49 PM
Alex, i was browing 'Zaino Mobile Detail' and looking through their service packages.


Now, their most expensive package listed is the Full Detail at $150.


My question is....is the process you mentioned earlier the same exact one that they follow....with the only exeption being they DO NOT repeat steps 4-6 (which you also mentioned as optional).



Here is a link to their site.
http://www.zainomobiledetail.com/150detail.html


Thanks!

brunoshogun
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:58:55 PM
Originally posted by BaDm0theR


Based on the steps you described i will add in my 'estimated' time for the Zaino process based on my past experience in washing/claying/waxing.


1. Initial wash: 40min-1hr
2. Clay the entire car: 30min-1hr
3. Rewash the car: 40min-1hr
4. Apply 1st coat of Zaino: 25-30min (applying ONLY)
5. Wait 20-30 minutes depends on temp.:20-30min (duh!)
6. Wipe it off=wiping off a wax: 25-30min (removing ONLY)

Then you said repeat steps 4-6 TWICE.

So.....when i tally up all the estimated times (based on my past experience) and then also add the times for steps 4-6 TWICE.
I get this range for a COMPLETE ZAINO PROCESS:
Minimum Range : 5.3 hrs (320minutes)
Maximum Range: 6.5 hrs (390minutes)


Are these figures in the range for the time it takes all you Zaino buff's to complete this process?


:thumbsup:

itsme
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 10:59:23 PM
beowoulf: The biggest problem with Zaino is the misconception that it is hard since the instructions seem to be all over the place. I've attached an extensive write-up from autopia on another thread. Once you realize how easy it is you will never go back to your regular stuff. Just think of all the time you spend getting that white gunk out of all the crevices. Not with Zaino. I'll be sitting having a brew while you are still at it with your toothbrush and toothpick.

What do you mean by this??? Are you saying that Zaino doesn't leave behide any whit stuff???:eek:

Beowoulf
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 11:01:12 PM
Mike, according to that site they are doing a couple of coats of z-5 and then one coat of z-2 but only doing the z-6 (7?) once. It is 3 coats I described. The steps they describe would take me a full day to do but I'm old and slow.;)

BaDm0theR
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 11:06:03 PM
Just called them up, inquiring about how many people work on a car at once.

Turns out that the owner of Zaino Mobile Detail is running a one man show (similar to me :D), even working alone though he says it takes roughly 3-4 hours to complete his $150 full detail.

So im guessing he works unusually fast compared to the estimated figures i post earlier.



Note to self: Alex is the man who can answer my Zaino questions!



:thumbsup: :D

Beowoulf
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 11:07:43 PM
brunoshogun: read the part on claying on the site mike linked. It is clay and you rub it on your paint with soapy water to lubricate. It removes all the contaminants stuck to your paint.

Itsme: It is almost clear so no or very little white gunk to clean.:thumbsup:

bee0818
Tue, Feb-17-2004, 11:21:18 PM
Alex, I have about 2 hours of spare time tonight and would like to do another coat of Zaino.

I did the intial process back in December.

So, the car was washed and now is awaiting new coats.
I did not clay.

Should I start with z6, then move on to z2 or z5?
BTW, my car is Steel Gray.

Also, should I do a coat of z6 in between the z2 or z5 layers?

Thanks :thumbsup:

Beowoulf
Wed, Feb-18-2004, 12:45:07 AM
Try a coat of Z5 or Z2 depending on what you like. I think you have to use the accelerator if you want to do more than one coat. Use the Z6 after each coat but you don't need it before the first coat.

cbformula
Wed, Feb-18-2004, 01:31:34 AM
dont forget to use ZFX. Normally you need to let the zaino cure for 24 hours before the second coat (Z2 or Z5). ZFX will allow u to put a max of total 3 coats in one sitting without cure time. With ZFX you dont need Z1. Z6 is NOT necessary between each coat. The only benefit you get form it is to maximize surface gloss and minimize surface contamination before you seal on your next coat. Finally, I highly recommend you always finish with Z2 rather than Z5 because it does have slightly more durable or "harder" qualities.

Cruzer
Mon, Feb-23-2004, 03:34:55 PM
I just found this, it is a good write up.

www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html..

Beowoulf
Mon, Feb-23-2004, 04:50:58 PM
Link no workie.:help:

gorgenk
Mon, Feb-23-2004, 06:51:15 PM
Originally posted by bee0818
Alex, I have about 2 hours of spare time tonight and would like to do another coat of Zaino.

I did the intial process back in December.

So, the car was washed and now is awaiting new coats.
I did not clay.

Should I start with z6, then move on to z2 or z5?
BTW, my car is Steel Gray.

Also, should I do a coat of z6 in between the z2 or z5 layers?

Thanks :thumbsup:

You can either start w/ the Z6, or directly apply the Z2 or Z5. If you don't have swirls Zaino recommends to use the Z2 as the last coat because of better optical properties (aka shinier). When I did my car I put on Z6 between all coats (total of 4 coats of Z2), but it's TiAg so I didn't see a huge diff. Should make more of a diff on a darker color like Steel Gray. I just reapply an additional coat of Z2 evey 1-2 months, whenever the paint doesn't feel slippery anymore. If you have Z6, might as well use it!!

NRG
Mon, Feb-23-2004, 07:05:18 PM
if you use the accerlator, you can apply between 5-6 a day but the accerlator is costly. if you do it with out the accerlator its like 1 coat a day.

Cruzer
Mon, Feb-23-2004, 08:25:31 PM
www.nsxsc.com/nsexcitement/waxtest.html

Ok let me try again...

Beowoulf
Mon, Feb-23-2004, 11:39:50 PM
Glad you fixed the link. It is nice to have someone confirm what you know with some good old fashion tests.

heelsonwheels
Tue, Feb-24-2004, 01:03:05 AM
NE one in NJ who knows what they are doing and want to come and Zaino
my car for $$...u gotta come to me

AGGIEM3
Tue, Feb-24-2004, 07:03:05 AM
Zaino is easy. Part of the confusion is that they have so many products to "clean up" your car in preparation for the first Zaino application (e.g., Clay bar). The instructions with their products are reasoably easy to follow. I recommend the ZFX accelerator, at least for the first few coats (I use it every time); it will greatly reduce the drying time of the wax.

Endure the confusion and try Zaino. Once you try it and see the results....you'll never go back. The wax is very easy on, easy off - and the shine & protection are great!

EatMyDust
Wed, Feb-25-2004, 07:45:19 AM
Originally posted by beowoulf
It all depends on how long it takes you to do certain steps.

1. Initial wash
2. Clay the entire car
3. Rewash the car
4. Apply 1st coat of Zaino=Applying a coat of wax by hand
5. Wait 20-30 minutes depends on temp.
6. Wipe it off=wiping off a wax.


Man that's a lot of steps...

Is it bad to skip step 2 and 3?

Yeah.. I'm a lazy a**.

Also, I'm at the Zaino website now ordering stuff in preperation of the arrival of my car... other than the Z2, what else should I get?